Varcoe may join Collingwood in three-way deal
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Clinton Young, Jordan Russell, Tony Armstrong, Travis Varcoe
Obviously they see a need for this sort of player at the Pies, but yeah, I find it hard to enjoy watching them. Armstrong actually impressed a bit at the end of this year though, so maybe Varcoe could do the same after realising he'd be on his last chance with us.
If we come out of the Beams deal with Greenwood, Varcoe and pick 5, plus another pick in the top 30, then I suppose we can save a bit of face. Still feel like we lost though.
Obviously they see a need for this sort of player at the Pies, but yeah, I find it hard to enjoy watching them. Armstrong actually impressed a bit at the end of this year though, so maybe Varcoe could do the same after realising he'd be on his last chance with us.
If we come out of the Beams deal with Greenwood, Varcoe and pick 5, plus another pick in the top 30, then I suppose we can save a bit of face. Still feel like we lost though.
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I fear that the pies can be a bit arrogant regarding their superior development or turning around of recycled players vs other clubs... they made the comment when they recruited Jordan Russell in the pre-season draft a few years back, seemingly because of Luke Ball & Leigh Brown's performances. However, the lack of development shown by Jordan Russell, Q-stick, Clinton Young, White, Marty Clarke & possibly even Karnezis since then has shown that this is just not true.
Or maybe we just aren't as good as we thought we were at judging talent or persuading talented players to join us.
Would love to think that Varcoe would be a win, but feel that someone with perceived flaws is more likely to fail under the microscope of the Collingwood Footy Club and its pressures / demands. Why would a club like the cats be so happy to let him go when their ageing stars are on the way out & the next level down are now so important to them...
Or maybe we just aren't as good as we thought we were at judging talent or persuading talented players to join us.
Would love to think that Varcoe would be a win, but feel that someone with perceived flaws is more likely to fail under the microscope of the Collingwood Footy Club and its pressures / demands. Why would a club like the cats be so happy to let him go when their ageing stars are on the way out & the next level down are now so important to them...
We have enough scope for improvement next year with the players already on our list IMO without having to chase a Geelong discard.
Freeman, Reid, Brown, Karnezis, Kennedy, Oxley, Seedsman and Sinclair amongst others are all players who this year missed large chunks of the season due to injruy or were limited in there output because of off season surgery etc.
Freeman, Reid, Brown, Karnezis, Kennedy, Oxley, Seedsman and Sinclair amongst others are all players who this year missed large chunks of the season due to injruy or were limited in there output because of off season surgery etc.
He's mad. He's bad. He's MaynHARD!
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Can't see why people are so against this. He's not a star but he fills some gaps that we have in our squad.Defender wrote:If the price is right then why not? He hasn't lived up to his early promise but he's the type we need.
We've been complaining that we need speedy outside players who use the ball well and when we're linked with one everyone loses their mind.
He's not a tough player, well guess what, a lot of good outside players aren't. I personally feel he'd bring some attributes to our squad that we're otherwise missing. Not to mention he's been involved in a successful, positive culture at Geelong for a large amount of time.
And considering to get him we'd be giving away H (a player who the club is pretty happy to be rid of it would seem) I don't think there's a problem here.
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That the club and H have agreed to part ways has zero bearing on what we should be trying to get as a return on his trade, particularly as it appears to be an ammicable split and we're trying to accommodate his wishes to get to Melbourne.King Malta wrote:Can't see why people are so against this. He's not a star but he fills some gaps that we have in our squad.Defender wrote:If the price is right then why not? He hasn't lived up to his early promise but he's the type we need.
We've been complaining that we need speedy outside players who use the ball well and when we're linked with one everyone loses their mind.
He's not a tough player, well guess what, a lot of good outside players aren't. I personally feel he'd bring some attributes to our squad that we're otherwise missing. Not to mention he's been involved in a successful, positive culture at Geelong for a large amount of time.
And considering to get him we'd be giving away H (a player who the club is pretty happy to be rid of it would seem) I don't think there's a problem here.
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Very true, but in my mind giving up H and getting Varcoe in return is a fair trade based on current form/ability and circumstancejackcass wrote:That the club and H have agreed to part ways has zero bearing on what we should be trying to get as a return on his trade, particularly as it appears to be an ammicable split and we're trying to accommodate his wishes to get to Melbourne.King Malta wrote:Can't see why people are so against this. He's not a star but he fills some gaps that we have in our squad.Defender wrote:If the price is right then why not? He hasn't lived up to his early promise but he's the type we need.
We've been complaining that we need speedy outside players who use the ball well and when we're linked with one everyone loses their mind.
He's not a tough player, well guess what, a lot of good outside players aren't. I personally feel he'd bring some attributes to our squad that we're otherwise missing. Not to mention he's been involved in a successful, positive culture at Geelong for a large amount of time.
And considering to get him we'd be giving away H (a player who the club is pretty happy to be rid of it would seem) I don't think there's a problem here.
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Yeah, we'll have to agree to disagree on the worth of Varcoe. To my mind, H is among our top 10 players, Varcoe is in that 19+ group at the Cats. In a perfect world, we'd be retaining H, Cats have been trying to offload Varcoe. I'd prefer a draft pick in the 20's as I think that has more upside.King Malta wrote:Very true, but in my mind giving up H and getting Varcoe in return is a fair trade based on current form/ability and circumstancejackcass wrote:That the club and H have agreed to part ways has zero bearing on what we should be trying to get as a return on his trade, particularly as it appears to be an ammicable split and we're trying to accommodate his wishes to get to Melbourne.King Malta wrote: Can't see why people are so against this. He's not a star but he fills some gaps that we have in our squad.
We've been complaining that we need speedy outside players who use the ball well and when we're linked with one everyone loses their mind.
He's not a tough player, well guess what, a lot of good outside players aren't. I personally feel he'd bring some attributes to our squad that we're otherwise missing. Not to mention he's been involved in a successful, positive culture at Geelong for a large amount of time.
And considering to get him we'd be giving away H (a player who the club is pretty happy to be rid of it would seem) I don't think there's a problem here.
We appear to be 3rd in the winners list out of this proposal behind Melbourne and Geelong.