#41,#8 Tom Langdon

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:13 pm

RudeBoy wrote:
thompsoc wrote:It would be interesting to see if Langdon could play forward.
He reads the flight of the ball so well.
He can also kick long.
Last night in the last quarter he kicked a 60 m bomb at the goal.
I see him as a potential Pendles type midfielder, with his calmness under pressure and elite disposal skills.

Like Pendles I see him as a future Captain too.

Post by **Pies2016** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:15 pm

Sorry to go off thread but Cats just delisted their first round pick from 4 / 5 years ago ( mitch brown )
Facts are the longer you are in charge of your clubs recruiting fortunes, the more likely you are going to get a couple wrong.
I look at it this way, 8 years of consecutive finals appearances before we missed out in 2014, we havent done that much wrong on draft day.
Recruiting free agents, thats another story.

uuuuu..... The LoneSTAR · Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:16 pm

Continuing on from a stellar debut season! I was aware of his composure, great skills, attack on the footy without fear BUT I didn't realise he could roost the ball that far off a step or two! This kid is a proper weapon,.... With a silencer! I like'em like that!

droversdog65 · Post by **droversdog65** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:20 pm

Yep LS the kid can roost them alright, I think it's because now he's starting to feel like he belongs and can relax enough to execute better.

Tannin · Post by **Tannin** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:21 pm

Flashman wrote:
thompsoc wrote:Yes Mr Know All.
Chris Egan pick 10 in 2004 from Hine was a bobby dazzler!
Seriously I never said it was a certainty getting an A grader from the top 10.
Only it wasn't that hard.
His 5 top 10 picks last decade produced 4 A graders and one dud.
But of those four - Pendles, Daisy, Brown and Reid were all highly rated.
So wow he is an absolute genius!!!! Only Hine could have done that!
Next time get your rose coloured glasses off.
Hine wasn't in charge of recruiting in 2004 and Egan was another dud pick by Noel Judkins (one of heaps that spud gave us) so best you get your facts right before you criticize Hine for Chris Egan.

Hine had Pendles (who wasn't considered a top 10 pick at the time) and Thomas as his first selections in 2005 when everyone reckoned we should have went Xavier Ellis at pick 2. Hine knew better and these two were absolute keys for the 2010 flag whereas Ellis was only ever an ordinary player and Pendlebury has turned out to be the best player from that draft hands down imo.

Hine has got some wrong but uncovered some gems and for the inexact science of recruiting I'd say he's far more in credit than debit. He's very good at what he does.

Hine has been excellent for us.

Zap! Kapow! Zowie! (as they say in the Batman comics) Smashed that rank long hop right out of the stadium!

thompsoc · Post by **thompsoc** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:23 pm

Good to see i am getting under your skin Stupied.
Really the abuse is not necessary.
I mean i could call you STUPID! But i won't.
Never said a monkey could do better - I just said he wasn't the genius the
rose coloured brigade claims he is.
Obviously you are a paid up member of that brigade.

thompsoc · Post by **thompsoc** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:42 pm

Flashman wrote:
thompsoc wrote:Yes Mr Know All.
Chris Egan pick 10 in 2004 from Hine was a bobby dazzler!
Seriously I never said it was a certainty getting an A grader from the top 10.
Only it wasn't that hard.
His 5 top 10 picks last decade produced 4 A graders and one dud.
But of those four - Pendles, Daisy, Brown and Reid were all highly rated.
So wow he is an absolute genius!!!! Only Hine could have done that!
Next time get your rose coloured glasses off.
Hine wasn't in charge of recruiting in 2004 and Egan was another dud pick by Noel Judkins (one of heaps that spud gave us) so best you get your facts right before you criticize Hine for Chris Egan.

Hine had Pendles (who wasn't considered a top 10 pick at the time) and Thomas as his first selections in 2005 when everyone reckoned we should have went Xavier Ellis at pick 2. Hine knew better and these two were absolute keys for the 2010 flag whereas Ellis was only ever an ordinary player and Pendlebury has turned out to be the best player from that draft hands down imo.

Hine has got some wrong but uncovered some gems and for the inexact science of recruiting I'd say he's far more in credit than debit. He's very good at what he does.

Hine has been excellent for us.

Hine was in charge in 2004.
Check the records
As for that spud Judkins he did give us Swan at a late pick who just happened to win a brownlow.
And he gave us Maxwell and Didak and Fraser and.....
As for Pendles not being a top 10 draft pick - well the Age had him at no.8
on the morning of the draft.
But you know everything...

thompsoc · Post by **thompsoc** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:47 pm

Tannin wrote:
Zap! Kapow! Zowie! (as they say in the Batman comics) Smashed that rank long hop right out of the stadium!

Yes Tannin, comic books are where all intelligent people get their information.

perthmagpie · Post by **perthmagpie** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:58 pm

Hine played footy for Prahran and then coached them. He came to us in 2003 and worked in welfare and player development. When he arrived Judkins was the national recruitment man. The whole footy dept was restructured in 2005. Judkins was demoted and Hine promoted. I think from memory the recruitment of Egan was a Judkins and Malthouse choice. Chris Egan came from Rumbulara and there were question marks on his commitment.

The thing is the gift with recruitment is not just spotting the talent but estimating if the player will fulfil that talent. Once the name is called out the player is in charge of his destiny and the recruiter moves on hoping he was a good judge of a young man's character. I have heard Hine speak of how he analyses that intangible quality. You gotta say he has great intuition for reading the level of a players long term levels of dedication to improve his game.

Tannin · Post by **Tannin** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:10 pm

In defence of Judkins, Egan was a more than reasonable selection. Yep, he didn't work out in the end, but a lot of kids need to be settled down in their early years at an AFL club. Clubs are pretty good at doing that and mostly succeed. In this case they didn't. That's life. It happens. But make no mistake, Chris Egan had awesome talent. Awesome. If the coaching staff had been able to find a way to get the right sort of firecracker up his arse, Egan could have been up there with the likes of Pendleburty, Judd, Hird, Buckley, Swan, Voss - an absolute gun. What's he doing now? Flipping burgers?

Yep, it didn't work out. But I wouldn't blame the recruiter. Even with top ten picks, some of them don't pan out the way you would expect. That's just life.

Post by **stui magpie** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:32 pm

Anybody know what Chris Egan is doing now? Seriously?

Is he playing local footy for good coin and doing well, moved into a decent job and raising his own mob or something less happy?

thompsoc · Post by **thompsoc** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:36 pm

One of the reasons Hine was called a genius does go back to the picks of Pendles and Daisy.
Both were not rated in the top 5 by any club.
But both were rated in the top 15 by most clubs.
But everyone believed that both had tremendous upside given their backgrounds.
They were both good picks but both were not entirely left field.
But then again Hine 2007 picks were a shocker.
The point I am trying to make is that sometimes the Media and fans just run
with the same old cliques that are not always accurate over a period of time.

Bucks2014 · Post by **Bucks2014** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:50 pm

Post by **Pies2016** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:22 pm

^
Good summary dealing in just the facts.
The other fact being it all came together to net us a flag in 2010.

E · Post by E » Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:39 pm

thompsoc wrote:One of the reasons Hine was called a genius does go back to the picks of Pendles and Daisy.
Both were not rated in the top 5 by any club.
But both were rated in the top 15 by most clubs.
But everyone believed that both had tremendous upside given their backgrounds.
They were both good picks but both were not entirely left field.
But then again Hine 2007 picks were a shocker.
The point I am trying to make is that sometimes the Media and fans just run
with the same old cliques that are not always accurate over a period of time.

if I had pick 2 and pick 5 in the draft and I went with players ranked outside the top 5 but in the top 15 AND then those same 2 players turn out to be 2 of the top 10 players in the competition in a premiership won just 4 years later, then make no mistake, that is ABSOLUTE Genius!!! especially if the other players that were ranked in the top 5 turned out to be ordinary footballers.

Thomsoc, I've been quietly reading all the threads following our win. I am absolutely shocked at your response to our win. Its kind of like you were hoping to jump on your soapbox but weren't allowed and so now you are just throwing punches like a drunk sailor. really surprising. Never saw you as that kind of poster. don't lose faith mate, we play a very good Adelaide team next week. chances are you will get to throw the boots in following that game.

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#41,#8 Tom Langdon