Nick's Collingwood Bulletin Board

^ The guy's body is a mess. A big NO THANKS!

Not that I'd even consider another ruck option, we'll do just fine with what we have.

RudeBoy wrote:The more I think about it the more it makes sense.

Kreuzer is a ready made top line ruckman and at a club like ours a clear match winner. Grundy is a future top ruckman. Meanwhile Cox is progressing faster than expected. That leaves Witts as possible trade bait.

I like it.

Cox will never be an good option in the ruck for the pies. Keep Witts.

Kruezer is way more talented than Witts.
People are kidding themselves if they think Wittsy is going to be any good.
Bloke hasn't taken an overhead mark this season.

He is an awful kick and his work at ground level leaves a bit to be desired.
Yes he is young, but let's trade him while we can.

mattdally wrote:Kruezer is way more talented than Witts.
People are kidding themselves if they think Wittsy is going to be any good.
Bloke hasn't taken an overhead mark this season.

He is an awful kick and his work at ground level leaves a bit to be desired.
Yes he is young, but let's trade him while we can.

I somewhat agree, let's trade Witts if we can get overs for him.

Let's do nothing else but trade players for other players.

Package up Witts in the Treloar deal with a pick. Grundy / Kruezer is much more formidable than Grundy / Witts.

Cox will still need to develop in the VFL but White / Moore can chop out in the ruck if need be.

mattys123 wrote:

mattdally wrote:Kruezer is way more talented than Witts.
People are kidding themselves if they think Wittsy is going to be any good.
Bloke hasn't taken an overhead mark this season.

He is an awful kick and his work at ground level leaves a bit to be desired.
Yes he is young, but let's trade him while we can.

I somewhat agree, let's trade Witts if we can get overs for him.

Let's do nothing else but trade players for other players.

matty, you think we night be better off trading for cheese sangers?

Greg Denham was talking to Hungry this morning and discussing an article he wrote in The Australian (published overnight) to the effect that Richmond have emerged as the main suitors for Kreuzer. I've found the article but it's behind a paywall, so I won't bother with a link.

roar wrote:The kid can play but I'd be worried about his body not holding up to the rigours of afl.

Didn't stop Keating having an impact in GFs.

jackcass wrote:

roar wrote:The kid can play but I'd be worried about his body not holding up to the rigours of afl.

Didn't stop Keating having an impact in GFs.

But you have a footballer with at best two or three years ahead of him before he retires.

BucksIsFutureCoach wrote:

jackcass wrote:

roar wrote:The kid can play but I'd be worried about his body not holding up to the rigours of afl.

Didn't stop Keating having an impact in GFs.

But you have a footballer with at best two or three years ahead of him before he retires.

He turned 26 earlier this year.

PS: I'm not committed either way to getting Kreuzer. Just think the concerns about his body are a little overstated and that if we did get him then that would allow broader discussion about the possibility of trading out a player like Witts which I wouldn't even entertain otherwise.

swoop42 wrote:

neil wrote:

woftam wrote: It will come Rudeboy. In a couple of years we will be reaping the benefit of giving them so much senior experience.

This is why any talk of trading Witts is insane
You trade from areas you have extra players not a shortage.
Trade Witts and then recruit a ruckman is a no win situation

It could easily be under the right circumstances.

Witts for Carlisle as an example.

Kreuzer for nothing via F/A.

A rapidly developing Cox in reserve.

Our side would be stronger next year IMO if that was to occur.

Any plan that depends on an international recruit who has played about 16 VFL games as the total Australian rules games has a major flaw. I hope Cox can make it but will never support making any recruiting/trading plans that depend on him having a successful AFL career.

neil wrote:Any plan that depends on an international recruit who has played about 16 VFL games as the total Australian rules games has a major flaw. I hope Cox can make it but will never support making any recruiting/trading plans that depend on him having a successful AFL career.

Ditto, way too risky.

Why would Richmond want Kreuzer with Maric, Griffiths and Vickery?

Are we in a bidding war with Richmond like the 80's again?

First Treloar now Kreuzer.

LOL.