Post match. Pies thumped by Port. All comments please.

[Bob Sugar]

Cloke is finished as a footballer.

[Gonzalo]

Being as calm and rational as possible, what changes need too be made next week, onfield that is. ? Is it time for McCaffer or Goldsack to come back in, and what about Langdon.? BTW Taylor adams, in more depressing news, said on radio today he wont be back for six weeks, so there you go.

It is shuffling decks on the titanic.

You can place Player X or Player Y in and it won't make a difference.

Until the coach and structures and coach change it won't matter.

I asked for onfield comments, not another chance for you too slag the coach <snip, cut the name-calling - bbmods>

Onfield structures are onfield matters.p

Player X or Player Y won't make a difference.

If you place them in a structure that is not AFL standard, they won't make a difference.

[lihei]

The lads looked flat today, it happens with developing teams.

Bit of a let down after the last 3 weeks where the boys played some awesome footy.

Does hold true for "'Development Team" Mark I, II, III, IV and V?

[mudlark]

It was a weird feeling today.
I am not upset or angry or even surprised.
Just completely indifferent.
Must be the first in years that I haven't yelled out at any time.
Time to go fishing for the Winter Salmon.

The initial reaction from me was rage and THEN acceptance that we are finished. Our team s decimated X3 yet we ridicule them mercilessly ?? Thee are a couple of players who are not yet ready for AFL on a regular basis and need to be eased in rather than thrown in the deep end and I am just as guilty with my criticism of Frost ,who does try hard it has to be said,but sadly,I feel nothing.Just awaiting the pasting I will get on Facebook ,but you reap what you sow and am quite prepared for it.Time to start watching the Mighty Maroochydore Roos in the flesh. I feel.

[Piesnchess]

It is shuffling decks on the titanic.

You can place Player X or Player Y in and it won't make a difference.

Until the coach and structures and coach change it won't matter.

I asked for onfield comments, not another chance for you too slag the coach, no wonder you are defined a new troll.

Onfield structures are onfield matters.p

Player X or Player Y won't make a difference.

If you place them in a structure that is not AFL standard, they won't make a difference.

<Snip, you have been asked to cut out this childish name-calling before. Consider this a warning. Do it again and further action will be taken - bbmods> I have had enough of your total negative shit, I meant players pal, so now I'm putting you on ignore, you can post your drivel to others as you enjoy our losses with unbridled glee.

<Mod note: Making use of the freely available ignore function is probably what you should have done before. Others would be advised to follow your lead - bbmods>

[Doc63]

The only positive today was a slight improvement in the form of Varcoe in comparison to the last few weeks.
Crocker is a long term project.
Can't think of any other positives and I am really trying.
Oh yes, I thought Grundy tried hard.

Bit harsh on Cox. Thought he was pretty good considering.

How dangerous would he be in a side with a coach??

[mudlark]

Cloke is finished as a footballer.

I'm not sure he is finished as a "Footballer".I think someone will pick him up and hopefully we can get something for him,but finished as a Collingwood footballer seems assured.

[thompsoc]

It was a weird feeling today.
I am not upset or angry or even surprised.
Just completely indifferent.
Must be the first in years that I haven't yelled out at any time.
Time to go fishing for the Winter Salmon.

The initial reaction from me was rage and THEN acceptance that we are finished. Our team s decimated X3 yet we ridicule them mercilessly ?? Thee are a couple of players who are not yet ready for AFL on a regular basis and need to be eased in rather than thrown in the deep end and I am just as guilty with my criticism of Frost ,who does try hard it has to be said,but sadly,I feel nothing.Just awaiting the pasting I will get on Facebook ,but you reap what you sow and am quite prepared for it.Time to start watching the Mighty Maroochydore Roos in the flesh. I feel.

Agree.
Cox is the only player I can get excited about.
But he really is a project player and not someone who will exlpode onto the scene.
Done well so far.

[Gonzalo]

You can't really blame Cloke today.

The ball use was abhorrent.

He was also playing on 2 defenders.

The ball movement was appalling.

The structures didn't allow him to win his position.

[doriswilgus]

I should add, Mudlark, that I was very disappointed Marsh didn't get a run today - and doubly-so after his splendid work on Black yesterday.

Maybe next week we could see the return and addition of Williams ,Brown and Marsh,Cloke back to the McGoos and maybe,try Frost in the square?? Couldn't do any worse than Cloke.

Please no more Frost.Back to the reserves for him,surely?

[thompsoc]

The only positive today was a slight improvement in the form of Varcoe in comparison to the last few weeks.
Crocker is a long term project.
Can't think of any other positives and I am really trying.
Oh yes, I thought Grundy tried hard.

Bit harsh on Cox. Thought he was pretty good considering.

How dangerous would he be in a side with a coach??

I like Cox, but as I said before he has done well for a newbie but you can't build a team around Cox this or next year.
But I always say that a good team starts with a decent ruckman and I thought Grundy played well today.

[Twiggy]

I am not a member only a barracker living in NSW. I don't get close to people within the club. I only form my opinions from watching many games on 7mate and listening to ABC and SEN radio plus spending time following AFL on the AFL website.
I agree with those who say our weakness starts with coach Bucks. I think he is a good skills teacher, but he hasn't a AFL standard game plan. I don't think he talks right for the battlefield. He is too sophisticated for a fast and furious type of game....it takes too long for what he says to sink in. I also don't like how he bags the players effort all the time. To my observation, the players are not in-sync with the game plan. I suggest that this effort bagging is demoralising & demotivating.
If the players do not believe in the game plan, its very demanding physically to run your guts out back and forth for a perceived bad game plan. I also suspect that the players are divided, probably between old and new and more possibly involving Travis Cloke.
We need to play SMARTER....starting at the TOP....that means our Mr Buckley if he is up to it.

[mudlark]

I should add, Mudlark, that I was very disappointed Marsh didn't get a run today - and doubly-so after his splendid work on Black yesterday.

Maybe next week we could see the return and addition of Williams ,Brown and Marsh,Cloke back to the McGoos and maybe,try Frost in the square?? Couldn't do any worse than Cloke.

Please no more Frost.Back to the reserves for him,surely?

OK!! I was trying to be kind but I agree.

[Pies4shaw]

I should add, Mudlark, that I was very disappointed Marsh didn't get a run today - and doubly-so after his splendid work on Black yesterday.

Maybe next week we could see the return and addition of Williams ,Brown and Marsh,Cloke back to the McGoos and maybe,try Frost in the square?? Couldn't do any worse than Cloke.

Please no more Frost.Back to the reserves for him,surely?

Don't worry, DW - I'm (reasonably) confident that Mudlark doesn't really want Frost at FF.

[mudlark]

I am not a member only a barracker living in NSW. I don't get close to people within the club. I only form my opinions from watching many games on 7mate and listening to ABC and SEN radio plus spending time following AFL on the AFL website.
I agree with those who say our weakness starts with coach Bucks. I think he is a good skills teacher, but he hasn't a AFL standard game plan. I don't think he talks right for the battlefield. He is too sophisticated for a fast and furious type of game....it takes too long for what he says to sink in. I also don't like how he bags the players effort all the time. To my observation, the players are not in-sync with the game plan. I suggest that this effort bagging is demoralising & demotivating.
If the players do not believe in the game plan, its very demanding physically to run your guts out back and forth for a perceived bad game plan. I also suspect that the players are divided, probably between old and new and more possibly involving Travis Cloke.
We need to play SMARTER....starting at the TOP....that means our Mr Buckley if he is up to it.

Career highlights
Club

Brownlow Medal: 2003
7x All-Australian team: 1996-2001, 2003
6x Collingwood Best & Fairest: 1994, 1996, 1998-2000, 2003
Norm Smith Medal: 2002
Collingwood Captain: 1999-2007
Collingwood Team of the Century
AFLCA Champion Player of the Year: 2003
AFL Rising Star: 1993
Magarey Medal: 1992
Jack Oatey Medal: 1992
Port Adelaide (SANFL) premiership player (1992)
Port Adelaide (SANFL) best and fairest (1992)
Representative

Jesaulenko Medal: 1997
Captain of the Allies: 1997
Hey Twiggy!!! When you've done THIS Give us a call.In the mean time stick to rugby league.