Nick's Collingwood Bulletin Board

Lots of angst being sent the way of daddy cloke (and not without reason granted - not the sharpest tool in the shed that's for sure) BUT Travis is what 25 yrs old - time to grow a set kiddo

Surely at his age he can make his own decisions - if you really wanna stay then just sign - stuff everyone else - if you wanna go then have the intestinal fortitude to say so

yeah everyone has to consider their future - but long term plans can go astray pretty quickly

Life is short and unpredicable - enjoy it whilst you have it - Travis don't look like he's enjoying it atm and the consequences of that for all are plain to see and more glaring obvious with every passing week.

eddiesmith wrote:

annewilo wrote:

eddiesmith wrote:I take it we lost today?

Anyway looking at the stats, all 3 key forwards kicked 1 goal from about 10 possessions, too me that says the midfield was shit, got smashed and gave them nothing, but of course the midfield is made up of favourite players, no one ever bags any of them, so the blame goes to 1 player, typical

Anyway seeing Jolly kicked a couple, time to try Jolly as FF, Cloke CHF, Goldsack in the pocket and send the other key forwards back to the VFL

Do you actually watch the games or attend or just review how we played by stats? Stats do not show positional play of the ball and where and when or how the turn overs or lack of marks were taken. Feel free to make game play comments if you did watch the game, otherwise it might be advisable to allow those who did to make summation.

If you did see today and last weeks game and for that matter the last 6 games Cloke has played, you would understand why informed supporters are bewildered at the current form of a man who is demanding a 450k per year increase to 900,000 and why he thinks his performance is above those of his team mates.

And if its stats you love, how about this one. Dane swan 49 possessions versus Travis Cloke 1 goal 1 point. And Swan gets 700k per year. Why are you so blind and pig headed about this issue and keep defending a player who chose to negotiate in public his contract and has stated he doesn't care for his team mates job security. In the same team that he relies on getting the ball down to him to kick goals to win us games which he clearly is not doing at the moment.

Ordinarily I like to think everyone's opinion matters. But you sit here and try and change opposing views constantly and don't like it when you get the same in return.

Chill man. Respect those views who differ from you and you may start to see the same courtesy. Life is way too short.

I go to most games, except Saturday afternoon because despite some people living in the past and wanting all games then, its the worst time if people want to be involved in footy more than just watching it as then when all local footy is on

I don't try to change peoples opinions, I try to correct their incorrect assumptions. People going around claiming he wants a million a year from Collingwood couldn't be further from the truth, those claiming he is asking for exhorbitant money, couldnt be further from the truth

Yet the fact everyone is so willing to go out and publically attack a Collingwood player because he has the nerve to negotiate a contract is amazing. I didnt see the same hatred levelled at Daisy who waited untill the end of last season and was playing crap at times, doing stupid things.

Did Travis cop the same crap every other time his contract is up? He hasnt signed a contract any earlier than October in his entire career, why the rush this time? Seems fans want a scapegoat and with some being dropped they single out Clokey, all because they seem to have a massive hate of his father???

He never said he didnt care for his team mates, that was one amazing rewrite of history that went on after that interview. I didnt watch it untill a couple of days later having read all these terrible things he allegedly said and then at the end thought how the hell did people take away what they claimed he said? He said he expected everyone to stay, everyone would get their deals and its not up to someone else to worry about all the other contracts, thats the clubs problem, not his. But hey when everyone already hates someone they will make crap up

Its funny that the last 2 years this board has turned on anyone who does a Footy Show interview, amazing part is the club does have a salary cap and if a player wants more money, TFS is one way to get it. Yet people have turned on him ever since that day, starting to think its just because everyone hates the show. Bet if he said the exact same things on the Marngrook footy show he would still be loved...Then again no one would have seen it

Once again you are making huge assumptions and in some part, you are incorrect. No one is having a go about the fact that Cloke is negotiating. It is the public nature of it and that the Clokes brought on themselves. It is tacky. Dale Thomas did it all behind closed doors and with none of this blackmail,

There is a long history of the Clokes, both senior and the juniors, trying to use the media, the supporters and the club to help along their cause. And it's unprofessional. None of our other players have done this.

Tell me one thing please, you seem to ignore this in everyone's posts. What do you think he is worth? And who do you think we should delist to meet his demands?

Secondly, I have always felt that Travis Cloke was over rated as a player, not just during this current slump or contract negotiation and there are other members with similar views.

What exactly is your issue with this board? Loads of people in here watch Marngrook. And as for Travs comments on his team mates, he said he wasnt interested in what was happening with the other players contracts, that this was about his negotiation. But he needs to realise, if the club has a cap and contrary to what you say, it is not just about the years. There is dollar issues here as well that will affect his team mates position. That is fact.

And finally, whether you like it or not, Travs contract is holding up everyone elses. Until this one is done, the club cannot do the others if he is to stay. Why should the other players wait for Trav. Why should they be made to wait until October just because he wants more in his terms.? That is one thing Daisy didnt do last year. He just waited until he was ready. It didnt affect his team mates contracts.

Look, I realise you have a passion for Trav. But he is being a little unco-operative with this all and for what it appears, his managers are also dragging it out. Everyone keeps saying he says he wants to stay. If all the top players took a salary hit and year amount hit, why can't he? It does appear now that the money is far more important for Travis and his father than playing for Collingwood. And good luck to him if it is. He should go if this is the case.

What she said.

There is no doubt his head is not quite right.
If it was he would've eaten schoenmakers- playing push and shove and not attacking ball. Usually can blame umps ignoring his constantly being mauled, but not today. Although delivery for all forwards was poor, Trav did himself and the team no favours.

annewilo wrote:Tell me one thing please, you seem to ignore this in everyone's posts. What do you think he is worth? And who do you think we should delist to meet his demands?

Secondly, I have always felt that Travis Cloke was over rated as a player, not just during this current slump or contract negotiation and there are other members with similar views.

What exactly is your issue with this board? Loads of people in here watch Marngrook. And as for Travs comments on his team mates, he said he wasnt interested in what was happening with the other players contracts, that this was about his negotiation. But he needs to realise, if the club has a cap and contrary to what you say, it is not just about the years. There is dollar issues here as well that will affect his team mates position. That is fact.

And finally, whether you like it or not, Travs contract is holding up everyone elses. Until this one is done, the club cannot do the others if he is to stay. Why should the other players wait for Trav. Why should they be made to wait until October just because he wants more in his terms.? That is one thing Daisy didnt do last year. He just waited until he was ready. It didnt affect his team mates contracts.

Look, I realise you have a passion for Trav. But he is being a little unco-operative with this all and for what it appears, his managers are also dragging it out. Everyone keeps saying he says he wants to stay. If all the top players took a salary hit and year amount hit, why can't he? It does appear now that the money is far more important for Travis and his father than playing for Collingwood. And good luck to him if it is. He should go if this is the case.

I think he is worth 5 years at about 750-850k building up to that 5th year

For all the angst that seems to come out every time he is out of contract and the hate of David, surely everyone would prefer to lock him away for 5 years and not have to worry about it untill 2017???

You are entitled to your opinion, but that reinforces another point, Travis isnt really putting people offside, most of those who are starting to turn against him have never been his biggest fans, some others have often taken shots over the years, were leading the chorus of calling him soft in his early days, could never take a contested mark (Funny how things change when they bulk up)

Travis isnt holding anyone up, I believe about the only other player who hasnt agreed to terms is Ben Reid? Seems they havent had any issues signing up the rest of the team whilst Clokey takes his time.

Also disagree with the last comments, he has never done one early, he is taking a pay cut on his worth and probably would accept something similar to the other top players at the club it was the time that held everything up initially then the president headed overseas so guess its got another month of nothing happening...

Lets not forget he got pretty well screwed by Collingwood a few years back when they got him to sign hours before his value probably jumped by a 100k or so...

eddiesmith wrote:

annewilo wrote:Tell me one thing please, you seem to ignore this in everyone's posts. What do you think he is worth? And who do you think we should delist to meet his demands?

Secondly, I have always felt that Travis Cloke was over rated as a player, not just during this current slump or contract negotiation and there are other members with similar views.

What exactly is your issue with this board? Loads of people in here watch Marngrook. And as for Travs comments on his team mates, he said he wasnt interested in what was happening with the other players contracts, that this was about his negotiation. But he needs to realise, if the club has a cap and contrary to what you say, it is not just about the years. There is dollar issues here as well that will affect his team mates position. That is fact.

And finally, whether you like it or not, Travs contract is holding up everyone elses. Until this one is done, the club cannot do the others if he is to stay. Why should the other players wait for Trav. Why should they be made to wait until October just because he wants more in his terms.? That is one thing Daisy didnt do last year. He just waited until he was ready. It didnt affect his team mates contracts.

Look, I realise you have a passion for Trav. But he is being a little unco-operative with this all and for what it appears, his managers are also dragging it out. Everyone keeps saying he says he wants to stay. If all the top players took a salary hit and year amount hit, why can't he? It does appear now that the money is far more important for Travis and his father than playing for Collingwood. And good luck to him if it is. He should go if this is the case.

I think he is worth 5 years at about 750-850k building up to that 5th year

For all the angst that seems to come out every time he is out of contract and the hate of David, surely everyone would prefer to lock him away for 5 years and not have to worry about it untill 2017???

You are entitled to your opinion, but that reinforces another point, Travis isnt really putting people offside, most of those who are starting to turn against him have never been his biggest fans, some others have often taken shots over the years, were leading the chorus of calling him soft in his early days, could never take a contested mark (Funny how things change when they bulk up)

Travis isnt holding anyone up, I believe about the only other player who hasnt agreed to terms is Ben Reid? Seems they havent had any issues signing up the rest of the team whilst Clokey takes his time.

Also disagree with the last comments, he has never done one early, he is taking a pay cut on his worth and probably would accept something similar to the other top players at the club it was the time that held everything up initially then the president headed overseas so guess its got another month of nothing happening...

Lets not forget he got pretty well screwed by Collingwood a few years back when they got him to sign hours before his value probably jumped by a 100k or so...

I see David Cloke (Eddiesmith ) is working hard for his boy again tonight!

Travis Boak just re-signed for Port Power this week at $500,000 a year for two years. That sounds about what Travis Cloke is worth on his current market rate.

- Five years - no way.
- $1 million a year. Are you certifiably INSANE?

eddiesmith wrote:

annewilo wrote:Tell me one thing please, you seem to ignore this in everyone's posts. What do you think he is worth? And who do you think we should delist to meet his demands?

Secondly, I have always felt that Travis Cloke was over rated as a player, not just during this current slump or contract negotiation and there are other members with similar views.

What exactly is your issue with this board? Loads of people in here watch Marngrook. And as for Travs comments on his team mates, he said he wasnt interested in what was happening with the other players contracts, that this was about his negotiation. But he needs to realise, if the club has a cap and contrary to what you say, it is not just about the years. There is dollar issues here as well that will affect his team mates position. That is fact.

And finally, whether you like it or not, Travs contract is holding up everyone elses. Until this one is done, the club cannot do the others if he is to stay. Why should the other players wait for Trav. Why should they be made to wait until October just because he wants more in his terms.? That is one thing Daisy didnt do last year. He just waited until he was ready. It didnt affect his team mates contracts.

Look, I realise you have a passion for Trav. But he is being a little unco-operative with this all and for what it appears, his managers are also dragging it out. Everyone keeps saying he says he wants to stay. If all the top players took a salary hit and year amount hit, why can't he? It does appear now that the money is far more important for Travis and his father than playing for Collingwood. And good luck to him if it is. He should go if this is the case.

I think he is worth 5 years at about 750-850k building up to that 5th year

For all the angst that seems to come out every time he is out of contract and the hate of David, surely everyone would prefer to lock him away for 5 years and not have to worry about it untill 2017???

You are entitled to your opinion, but that reinforces another point, Travis isnt really putting people offside, most of those who are starting to turn against him have never been his biggest fans, some others have often taken shots over the years, were leading the chorus of calling him soft in his early days, could never take a contested mark (Funny how things change when they bulk up)

Travis isnt holding anyone up, I believe about the only other player who hasnt agreed to terms is Ben Reid? Seems they havent had any issues signing up the rest of the team whilst Clokey takes his time.

Also disagree with the last comments, he has never done one early, he is taking a pay cut on his worth and probably would accept something similar to the other top players at the club it was the time that held everything up initially then the president headed overseas so guess its got another month of nothing happening...

Lets not forget he got pretty well screwed by Collingwood a few years back when they got him to sign hours before his value probably jumped by a 100k or so...

Agreement in terms if different than signing. A lot can happen in the commercial world between the two. We've been lucky so far but the drums are beating.

OBrien
Reid
Beams

to name but a few have not signed. I know for a fact that there are in principle deals being floated but are subject to various things happening. No player will sign until they know what is happening with Cloke. The club won't and the player won't. The club because they have no ability to close deals over the cap, so they wait for the impasse to change and the players because they too will want to know how much money is left if Cloke should go. So meanwhile, other clubs with huge cheque books loom. This whole thing needs to go away now.

eddiesmith wrote:

annewilo wrote:Tell me one thing please, you seem to ignore this in everyone's posts. What do you think he is worth? And who do you think we should delist to meet his demands?

Secondly, I have always felt that Travis Cloke was over rated as a player, not just during this current slump or contract negotiation and there are other members with similar views.

What exactly is your issue with this board? Loads of people in here watch Marngrook. And as for Travs comments on his team mates, he said he wasnt interested in what was happening with the other players contracts, that this was about his negotiation. But he needs to realise, if the club has a cap and contrary to what you say, it is not just about the years. There is dollar issues here as well that will affect his team mates position. That is fact.

And finally, whether you like it or not, Travs contract is holding up everyone elses. Until this one is done, the club cannot do the others if he is to stay. Why should the other players wait for Trav. Why should they be made to wait until October just because he wants more in his terms.? That is one thing Daisy didnt do last year. He just waited until he was ready. It didnt affect his team mates contracts.

Look, I realise you have a passion for Trav. But he is being a little unco-operative with this all and for what it appears, his managers are also dragging it out. Everyone keeps saying he says he wants to stay. If all the top players took a salary hit and year amount hit, why can't he? It does appear now that the money is far more important for Travis and his father than playing for Collingwood. And good luck to him if it is. He should go if this is the case.

I think he is worth 5 years at about 750-850k building up to that 5th year

For all the angst that seems to come out every time he is out of contract and the hate of David, surely everyone would prefer to lock him away for 5 years and not have to worry about it untill 2017???

You are entitled to your opinion, but that reinforces another point, Travis isnt really putting people offside, most of those who are starting to turn against him have never been his biggest fans, some others have often taken shots over the years, were leading the chorus of calling him soft in his early days, could never take a contested mark (Funny how things change when they bulk up)

Travis isnt holding anyone up, I believe about the only other player who hasnt agreed to terms is Ben Reid? Seems they havent had any issues signing up the rest of the team whilst Clokey takes his time.

Also disagree with the last comments, he has never done one early, he is taking a pay cut on his worth and probably would accept something similar to the other top players at the club it was the time that held everything up initially then the president headed overseas so guess its got another month of nothing happening...

Lets not forget he got pretty well screwed by Collingwood a few years back when they got him to sign hours before his value probably jumped by a 100k or so...

Paying Cloke around $800,000 would make him the highest paid player at the club. Swan & Pendles should be on far more than him. Swan signed last year for a reported $650,000. If the club agree to that figure then they need a good foot up the backside.

woftam wrote:

eddiesmith wrote:

annewilo wrote:Tell me one thing please, you seem to ignore this in everyone's posts. What do you think he is worth? And who do you think we should delist to meet his demands?

Secondly, I have always felt that Travis Cloke was over rated as a player, not just during this current slump or contract negotiation and there are other members with similar views.

What exactly is your issue with this board? Loads of people in here watch Marngrook. And as for Travs comments on his team mates, he said he wasnt interested in what was happening with the other players contracts, that this was about his negotiation. But he needs to realise, if the club has a cap and contrary to what you say, it is not just about the years. There is dollar issues here as well that will affect his team mates position. That is fact.

And finally, whether you like it or not, Travs contract is holding up everyone elses. Until this one is done, the club cannot do the others if he is to stay. Why should the other players wait for Trav. Why should they be made to wait until October just because he wants more in his terms.? That is one thing Daisy didnt do last year. He just waited until he was ready. It didnt affect his team mates contracts.

Look, I realise you have a passion for Trav. But he is being a little unco-operative with this all and for what it appears, his managers are also dragging it out. Everyone keeps saying he says he wants to stay. If all the top players took a salary hit and year amount hit, why can't he? It does appear now that the money is far more important for Travis and his father than playing for Collingwood. And good luck to him if it is. He should go if this is the case.

I think he is worth 5 years at about 750-850k building up to that 5th year

For all the angst that seems to come out every time he is out of contract and the hate of David, surely everyone would prefer to lock him away for 5 years and not have to worry about it untill 2017???

You are entitled to your opinion, but that reinforces another point, Travis isnt really putting people offside, most of those who are starting to turn against him have never been his biggest fans, some others have often taken shots over the years, were leading the chorus of calling him soft in his early days, could never take a contested mark (Funny how things change when they bulk up)

Travis isnt holding anyone up, I believe about the only other player who hasnt agreed to terms is Ben Reid? Seems they havent had any issues signing up the rest of the team whilst Clokey takes his time.

Also disagree with the last comments, he has never done one early, he is taking a pay cut on his worth and probably would accept something similar to the other top players at the club it was the time that held everything up initially then the president headed overseas so guess its got another month of nothing happening...

Lets not forget he got pretty well screwed by Collingwood a few years back when they got him to sign hours before his value probably jumped by a 100k or so...

Paying Cloke around $800,000 would make him the highest paid player at the club. Swan & Pendles should be on far more than him. Swan signed last year for a reported $650,000. If the club agree to that figure then they need a good foot up the backside.

So 85% on this board and the club agree in affect with this statement, why can't Travis Cloke see the same?

annewilo wrote:

eddiesmith wrote:

annewilo wrote:Tell me one thing please, you seem to ignore this in everyone's posts. What do you think he is worth? And who do you think we should delist to meet his demands?

Secondly, I have always felt that Travis Cloke was over rated as a player, not just during this current slump or contract negotiation and there are other members with similar views.

What exactly is your issue with this board? Loads of people in here watch Marngrook. And as for Travs comments on his team mates, he said he wasnt interested in what was happening with the other players contracts, that this was about his negotiation. But he needs to realise, if the club has a cap and contrary to what you say, it is not just about the years. There is dollar issues here as well that will affect his team mates position. That is fact.

And finally, whether you like it or not, Travs contract is holding up everyone elses. Until this one is done, the club cannot do the others if he is to stay. Why should the other players wait for Trav. Why should they be made to wait until October just because he wants more in his terms.? That is one thing Daisy didnt do last year. He just waited until he was ready. It didnt affect his team mates contracts.

Look, I realise you have a passion for Trav. But he is being a little unco-operative with this all and for what it appears, his managers are also dragging it out. Everyone keeps saying he says he wants to stay. If all the top players took a salary hit and year amount hit, why can't he? It does appear now that the money is far more important for Travis and his father than playing for Collingwood. And good luck to him if it is. He should go if this is the case.

I think he is worth 5 years at about 750-850k building up to that 5th year

For all the angst that seems to come out every time he is out of contract and the hate of David, surely everyone would prefer to lock him away for 5 years and not have to worry about it untill 2017???

You are entitled to your opinion, but that reinforces another point, Travis isnt really putting people offside, most of those who are starting to turn against him have never been his biggest fans, some others have often taken shots over the years, were leading the chorus of calling him soft in his early days, could never take a contested mark (Funny how things change when they bulk up)

Travis isnt holding anyone up, I believe about the only other player who hasnt agreed to terms is Ben Reid? Seems they havent had any issues signing up the rest of the team whilst Clokey takes his time.

Also disagree with the last comments, he has never done one early, he is taking a pay cut on his worth and probably would accept something similar to the other top players at the club it was the time that held everything up initially then the president headed overseas so guess its got another month of nothing happening...

Lets not forget he got pretty well screwed by Collingwood a few years back when they got him to sign hours before his value probably jumped by a 100k or so...

Agreement in terms if different than signing. A lot can happen in the commercial world between the two. We've been lucky so far but the drums are beating.

OBrien
Reid
Beams

to name but a few have not signed. I know for a fact that there are in principle deals being floated but are subject to various things happening. No player will sign until they know what is happening with Cloke. The club won't and the player won't. The club because they have no ability to close deals over the cap, so they wait for the impasse to change and the players because they too will want to know how much money is left if Cloke should go. So meanwhile, other clubs with huge cheque books loom. This whole thing needs to go away now.

At the same time if Reid or O'Brien said they wanted to leave then they have the money for Cloke

He could sign for less, then one of those leaves anyway and suddenly we have extra in the cap, which will then probably see Daisy wanting a pay rise next year

He has always waited till last, we will likely lose a couple of players this year like Jolly and Tarrant to retirement, that frees up a bit of money as well, everyone will know better in October so why not just wait?

woftam wrote:

eddiesmith wrote:

annewilo wrote:Tell me one thing please, you seem to ignore this in everyone's posts. What do you think he is worth? And who do you think we should delist to meet his demands?

Secondly, I have always felt that Travis Cloke was over rated as a player, not just during this current slump or contract negotiation and there are other members with similar views.

What exactly is your issue with this board? Loads of people in here watch Marngrook. And as for Travs comments on his team mates, he said he wasnt interested in what was happening with the other players contracts, that this was about his negotiation. But he needs to realise, if the club has a cap and contrary to what you say, it is not just about the years. There is dollar issues here as well that will affect his team mates position. That is fact.

And finally, whether you like it or not, Travs contract is holding up everyone elses. Until this one is done, the club cannot do the others if he is to stay. Why should the other players wait for Trav. Why should they be made to wait until October just because he wants more in his terms.? That is one thing Daisy didnt do last year. He just waited until he was ready. It didnt affect his team mates contracts.

Look, I realise you have a passion for Trav. But he is being a little unco-operative with this all and for what it appears, his managers are also dragging it out. Everyone keeps saying he says he wants to stay. If all the top players took a salary hit and year amount hit, why can't he? It does appear now that the money is far more important for Travis and his father than playing for Collingwood. And good luck to him if it is. He should go if this is the case.

I think he is worth 5 years at about 750-850k building up to that 5th year

For all the angst that seems to come out every time he is out of contract and the hate of David, surely everyone would prefer to lock him away for 5 years and not have to worry about it untill 2017???

You are entitled to your opinion, but that reinforces another point, Travis isnt really putting people offside, most of those who are starting to turn against him have never been his biggest fans, some others have often taken shots over the years, were leading the chorus of calling him soft in his early days, could never take a contested mark (Funny how things change when they bulk up)

Travis isnt holding anyone up, I believe about the only other player who hasnt agreed to terms is Ben Reid? Seems they havent had any issues signing up the rest of the team whilst Clokey takes his time.

Also disagree with the last comments, he has never done one early, he is taking a pay cut on his worth and probably would accept something similar to the other top players at the club it was the time that held everything up initially then the president headed overseas so guess its got another month of nothing happening...

Lets not forget he got pretty well screwed by Collingwood a few years back when they got him to sign hours before his value probably jumped by a 100k or so...

Paying Cloke around $800,000 would make him the highest paid player at the club. Swan & Pendles should be on far more than him. Swan signed last year for a reported $650,000. If the club agree to that figure then they need a good foot up the backside.

750,000 actually, he was on 650,000 and got a payrise. Basically I would pay him the same as those big names, but then by year 4-5 when he is a vet then he gets the extra 100,000 or so, why not?

annewilo wrote:

woftam wrote:

eddiesmith wrote: I think he is worth 5 years at about 750-850k building up to that 5th year

For all the angst that seems to come out every time he is out of contract and the hate of David, surely everyone would prefer to lock him away for 5 years and not have to worry about it untill 2017???

You are entitled to your opinion, but that reinforces another point, Travis isnt really putting people offside, most of those who are starting to turn against him have never been his biggest fans, some others have often taken shots over the years, were leading the chorus of calling him soft in his early days, could never take a contested mark (Funny how things change when they bulk up)

Travis isnt holding anyone up, I believe about the only other player who hasnt agreed to terms is Ben Reid? Seems they havent had any issues signing up the rest of the team whilst Clokey takes his time.

Also disagree with the last comments, he has never done one early, he is taking a pay cut on his worth and probably would accept something similar to the other top players at the club it was the time that held everything up initially then the president headed overseas so guess its got another month of nothing happening...

Lets not forget he got pretty well screwed by Collingwood a few years back when they got him to sign hours before his value probably jumped by a 100k or so...

Paying Cloke around $800,000 would make him the highest paid player at the club. Swan & Pendles should be on far more than him. Swan signed last year for a reported $650,000. If the club agree to that figure then they need a good foot up the backside.

So 85% on this board and the club agree in affect with this statement, why can't Travis Cloke see the same?

Because industrially as an employee he has a right to try to improve his position. Period. He has a right to do that without being demonised for it.
He has rights get used to it.

eddiesmith wrote:

annewilo wrote:

eddiesmith wrote: I think he is worth 5 years at about 750-850k building up to that 5th year

For all the angst that seems to come out every time he is out of contract and the hate of David, surely everyone would prefer to lock him away for 5 years and not have to worry about it untill 2017???

You are entitled to your opinion, but that reinforces another point, Travis isnt really putting people offside, most of those who are starting to turn against him have never been his biggest fans, some others have often taken shots over the years, were leading the chorus of calling him soft in his early days, could never take a contested mark (Funny how things change when they bulk up)

Travis isnt holding anyone up, I believe about the only other player who hasnt agreed to terms is Ben Reid? Seems they havent had any issues signing up the rest of the team whilst Clokey takes his time.

Also disagree with the last comments, he has never done one early, he is taking a pay cut on his worth and probably would accept something similar to the other top players at the club it was the time that held everything up initially then the president headed overseas so guess its got another month of nothing happening...

Lets not forget he got pretty well screwed by Collingwood a few years back when they got him to sign hours before his value probably jumped by a 100k or so...

Agreement in terms if different than signing. A lot can happen in the commercial world between the two. We've been lucky so far but the drums are beating.

OBrien
Reid
Beams

to name but a few have not signed. I know for a fact that there are in principle deals being floated but are subject to various things happening. No player will sign until they know what is happening with Cloke. The club won't and the player won't. The club because they have no ability to close deals over the cap, so they wait for the impasse to change and the players because they too will want to know how much money is left if Cloke should go. So meanwhile, other clubs with huge cheque books loom. This whole thing needs to go away now.

At the same time if Reid or O'Brien said they wanted to leave then they have the money for Cloke

He could sign for less, then one of those leaves anyway and suddenly we have extra in the cap, which will then probably see Daisy wanting a pay rise next year

He has always waited till last, we will likely lose a couple of players this year like Jolly and Tarrant to retirement, that frees up a bit of money as well, everyone will know better in October so why not just wait?

You're quite brutal on wanting to get rid of some pretty good players who are doing ok and yet you want to keep Cloke who is not. Why is that? Pretty harsh I think.

rocketronnie wrote:

annewilo wrote:

woftam wrote: Paying Cloke around $800,000 would make him the highest paid player at the club. Swan & Pendles should be on far more than him. Swan signed last year for a reported $650,000. If the club agree to that figure then they need a good foot up the backside.

So 85% on this board and the club agree in affect with this statement, why can't Travis Cloke see the same?

Because industrially as an employee he has a right to try to improve his position. Period. He has a right to do that without being demonised for it.
He has rights get used to it.

Agreed, if he had something to bargain with, like bags of goals for bags of money. Why so loyal to someone who hasnt been playing so well. These are key questions that don't seem to be answered by the two people who wish to keep him!