Coronavirus 3 - Al Pacino's turn to mumble

[Pies4shaw]

It was reasonable question. Where are the rumours coming from - at this stage, it has to be some nutter with no grip on reality?

That's not to say there won't be a "ring of steel" - but there's no basis for it in the data, at all.

[Jezza]

It was reasonable question. Where are the rumours coming from - at this stage, it has to be some nutter with no grip on reality?

That's not to say there won't be a "ring of steel" - but there's no basis for it in the data, at all.

Friends of mine received work emails being informed that the companies they're employed with are preparing for a return of the ring of steel this week. That's all I know.

They work in industries that have both metropolitan and regional branches. Hopefully it's not true, but time will tell.

[What'sinaname]

It was reasonable question. Where are the rumours coming from - at this stage, it has to be some nutter with no grip on reality?

That's not to say there won't be a "ring of steel" - but there's no basis for it in the data, at all.

90 nice?

[stui magpie]

That's 0 deaths in Victoria this summer.

Since the start of summer, NSW has had 561 new cases. Victoria has had 134.

NSW 28 days without a locally acquired case.

Playing games with the stats does you no credit, by any real statistical measure The People's republic of Danistan is clearly the worst performed state or territory

[Pies4shaw]

"Playing games with the stats"? What drivel. You've got different ones - or do you just not like this one because NSW has had 4 times as many cases as Victoria, since the start of summer?

[What'sinaname]

"Playing games with the stats"? What drivel. You've got different ones - or do you just not like this one because NSW has had 4 times as many cases as Victoria, since the start of summer?

lol...why chose the start of summer, show us some stats from the start of COVID?

COVID deaths in Australia - 909
COVID deaths in Victoria - 820

Victoria 20,466 cases out of a total of 28,892

Active cases, Victoria 20 out of 39.

[eddiesmith]

Yet despite the difference in stats, NSW have not had to enter a statewide stage 4 lockdown at any stage to manage it.

But Danny boy has you all living in fear believing zero is the only number we should aim for. But that’s only because zero is the only number the incompetent morons at DHHS can handle...

[stui magpie]

The "Drivel" is trying to manipulate the stats to make Victoria look like they've done better then NSW when on every objective measure they haven't.

[Tannin]

Provides an objective measure

when on every objective measure

Duh. You were just provided with an objective measure, which you ignored. "Every" means "all". No exceptions.

[eddiesmith]

By objective measure you include the number of cases in hotel quarantine, cases that are completely contained and will be higher given NSW takes 3 times as many arrivals as Victoria

[Pies4shaw]

I was just making the point, tired as I am of all the whining and moaning, that since the time Victoria came out of the last lockdown and both States were recording zeroes, the cases have run 4 to 1 in "favour" of NSW. Spin it any way you like but those are the numbers. Ignore them, choke on them, pretend they're not real - I couldn't care less.

[Jezza]

Can anyone with a straight face say Victoria has done a better job than NSW?

[eddiesmith]

Of course not, Victoria is into it's third statewide lockdown, NSW haven't had a statewide lockdown since the first national one.

But you can spin figures to suit any agenda. No one would prefer to have lived through Victoria's multiple stage 4 lockdowns over NSW staying open and controlling outbreaks.

If the health advice from the CHO is that the entire state needed to be locked down for a handful of cases centered in one small area of Melbourne then the obvious questions is, is there anyone who works in Victoria's Health Department that isn't incompetent?

[Pies4shaw]

No one is "spinning" figures. Just because you refuse to multiply by 4 on religious grounds doesn't mean figures have been "spun". I note that nobody is suggesting the figures are incorrect.

[stui magpie]

What if we look at some numbers from another random date, like for example March 29, 2020

Since that date,

NSW

125,000 people put into Hotel Quarantine
2910 cases in HQ
2178 cases locally acquired
54 deaths

Victoria

35,000 people put into Hotel Quarantine
1067 cases in HQ
20,469 cases locally acquired
820 deaths.

Those are the numbers and no amount of spin can change that.

Spin is something Dan is great at, management is not.

An infectious diseases expert and member of the federal government’s powerful Infection Control Expert Group says the significant problem that led to the latest Victorian coronavirus outbreak was poor infection control, and not the more-contagious British variant blamed by the state government.

While evidence suggests the new variant is between 30 and 50 per cent more infectious than the original, Professor Peter Collignon said the “real issue [in Victoria] is infection control. If you look at the three hotel outbreaks in Melbourne over the past week, all of them had infection control breaches”.

The Prof says it's 30-50% worse, Sutton said 40%, Dan tried to claim 70% when making excuses. Basic infection control is the problem.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/victori ... 572c0.html

Something else to consider. Once someone actually tests positive they're moved from the HQ to the Medi hotel.

All of the instances of the virus escaping have been from the hotel quarantine run by Dan's beaurocrats.
The Medi Hotel is run by Alfred Health, no infection control issues there.