Post Match. Pies lose to Hawks - All comments please

[Tezza23]

Can someone please tell me why Ramsay got a game. I didn't even know he was on the ground until halfway through the second when i think he got his first disposal.

The whole side has for at least three years lacked any cohesion and any consistent display of team play.

Please lets end this nightmare

[HAL]

Thanks Nostradamus.

If we started winning and made finals there would be a lot of unhappy people on this board.

Tell me a story.

[magpieazza]

I dont hate Bux and Ive admired him since day dot, he deserves respect, I just get the feeling he isnt going to change his ways.

Its damn hard to say but Im afraid it is time for a new voice.

Bux may walk in next couple weeks anyway but it would be good to see a new coach come in and check the scenery out for a couple months then make his own history in 2018.

Our team has a great nucleus and I dont think its that far off being an excellent team.

[RudeBoy]

Sadly, we had far too many passengers today - especially WHE, Ramsay, Broomhead, Crisp, and (despite trying hard all day) even Elliott. No team can hope to win a game with so many players hardly contributing.

[mooretreloar]

Just back from the game and dinner and have browsed through this thread. Not one poster has identified why we lost the game. Not one.

Unsurprisingly, for this site and from the usual suspects it is blame the coach and sack the coach. To be fair, as each week passes, it is becoming less and less likely that Buckley will keep his job, but posters seriously need wake up to themselves if they think we lost the game because of the coach. We could have had the best coach in the world coaching us today and we wouldn't have won.

We lost the game for three main reasons:
1) our skill execution was horrendous and as professional sportspeople the majority our players should be embarassed with the skill errors they served up today,
2) our decision making was appalling, the numbers of times our players chose the wrong option if you didn't see it, you wouldn't have believed it,
3) our much vaunted midfield should be ashamed of themselves. They were made to look like amateurs by one of, if not, the worst midfields in the competition. Going into the game we were the 2nd best stoppage/clearance side in the comp and they were 17th. Watching that game, you would have sworn the rankings were the opposite.

Despite all of our skill errors, dumb decisions and the worst performance of the year from our midfield, we still had our chances to win the game.

We are world champions at gifting goals to the opposition. All season we have worked our butts off to either get in front or stay level with our opponents or come from behind and in each and every situation just when we have the momentum or look like we have the momentum, we gift goals to the opposition. The end of the second quarter today was another example, we are on top, 4 goals to one in the quarter, to get back to level, then we gift 2 goals to Hawthorn in two minutes. One from rubbish play by in the middle and the other from rubbish play by our defenders.

A team cannot and will not win games of football in such an even competition against reasonable opposition if you gift your opponents multiple goals week in week out. Thus, you Buckley haters, even if we get a new coach, unless we cut out the gifting of multiple goals to the opponents week in week out, then we aren't moving up the ladder.

The positives of the day were De Goey, he was brilliant playing full time midfield and showed how good he is going to be. Josh Thomas had an excellent game in his first game back. Tom Langdon's 2nd half, especially his last quarter was very good and the signs are good he is close to getting back to his best. Mason Cox was good when the ball was kicked to him and it was great to see him kick straight.

[inxs88]

Just back from the game and dinner and have browsed through this thread. Not one poster has identified why we lost the game. Not one.

Unsurprisingly, for this site and from the usual suspects it is blame the coach and sack the coach. To be fair, as each week passes, it is becoming less and less likely that Buckley will keep his job, but posters seriously need wake up to themselves if they think we lost the game because of the coach. We could have had the best coach in the world coaching us today and we wouldn't have won.

We lost the game for three main reasons:
1) our skill execution was horrendous and as professional sportspeople the majority our players should be embarassed with the skill errors they served up today,
2) our decision making was appalling, the numbers of times our players chose the wrong option if you didn't see it, you wouldn't have believed it,
3) our much vaunted midfield should be ashamed of themselves. They were made to look like amateurs by one of, if not, the worst midfields in the competition. Going into the game we were the 2nd best stoppage/clearance side in the comp and they were 17th. Watching that game, you would have sworn the rankings were the opposite.

Despite all of our skill errors, dumb decisions and the worst performance of the year from our midfield, we still had our chances to win the game.

We are world champions at gifting goals to the opposition. All season we have worked our butts off to either get in front or stay level with our opponents or come from behind and in each and every situation just when we have the momentum or look like we have the momentum, we gift goals to the opposition. The end of the second quarter today was another example, we are on top, 4 goals to one in the quarter, to get back to level, then we gift 2 goals to Hawthorn in two minutes. One from rubbish play by in the middle and the other from rubbish play by our defenders.

A team cannot and will not win games of football in such an even competition against reasonable opposition if you gift your opponents multiple goals week in week out. Thus, you Buckley haters, even if we get a new coach, unless we cut out the gifting of multiple goals to the opponents week in week out, then we aren't moving up the ladder.

The positives of the day were De Goey, he was brilliant playing full time midfield and showed how good he is going to be. Josh Thomas had an excellent game in his first game back. Tom Langdon's 2nd half, especially his last quarter was very good and the signs are good he is close to getting back to his best. Mason Cox was good when the ball was kicked to him and it was great to see him kick straight.

Hey don't lump me into this group that's in denial! Look at my post "5 stages of grief". Acceptance has been reached!!

[Cruisinwithdids]

Buckley's press conference was quite a bold effort at spin doctoring. To say that Collingwood have no problems other than 5% of games and that our personnel are good enough is a bizarre attempt to mask the obvious. He also pointed out that AFL players are at their best in their late 20's, and we have a group of key players at 22-24. Is this an insinuation that we wait another 6 years? He was then questioned about his long term view being at odds with the clubs need to win games now - for the sake of his job! When are our supporters going to be afforded some honesty and Buckley take some responsibility for this ongoing decline? He's had plenty of time and has failed dismally.

[Peponi]

We should give Buckley another 3 year contract. This team is going places. Buckley has a plan. Hopefully all the nuckleheads in the team are able to play like him. He's always misunderstood.

[thompsoc]

God you are boring Mooretreloar.
We lost because a little bugger in Clarko put out a game plan
that was better than the one Bux adhered to all day.
We had the better side.
But as usual Clako won the day.
What is it now 10/1 in Ckarko's favour.

[Peponi]

But no one gets Bucks! He has a game plan. No one gets it. Give him another 3 year contract. He deserves it for taking this team backwards 6 years running. We just need more midfielders.

[Fino]

Just back from the game and dinner and have browsed through this thread. Not one poster has identified why we lost the game. Not one.

Unsurprisingly, for this site and from the usual suspects it is blame the coach and sack the coach. To be fair, as each week passes, it is becoming less and less likely that Buckley will keep his job, but posters seriously need wake up to themselves if they think we lost the game because of the coach. We could have had the best coach in the world coaching us today and we wouldn't have won.

We lost the game for three main reasons:
1) our skill execution was horrendous and as professional sportspeople the majority our players should be embarassed with the skill errors they served up today,
2) our decision making was appalling, the numbers of times our players chose the wrong option if you didn't see it, you wouldn't have believed it,
3) our much vaunted midfield should be ashamed of themselves. They were made to look like amateurs by one of, if not, the worst midfields in the competition. Going into the game we were the 2nd best stoppage/clearance side in the comp and they were 17th. Watching that game, you would have sworn the rankings were the opposite.

Despite all of our skill errors, dumb decisions and the worst performance of the year from our midfield, we still had our chances to win the game.

We are world champions at gifting goals to the opposition. All season we have worked our butts off to either get in front or stay level with our opponents or come from behind and in each and every situation just when we have the momentum or look like we have the momentum, we gift goals to the opposition. The end of the second quarter today was another example, we are on top, 4 goals to one in the quarter, to get back to level, then we gift 2 goals to Hawthorn in two minutes. One from rubbish play by in the middle and the other from rubbish play by our defenders.

A team cannot and will not win games of football in such an even competition against reasonable opposition if you gift your opponents multiple goals week in week out. Thus, you Buckley haters, even if we get a new coach, unless we cut out the gifting of multiple goals to the opponents week in week out, then we aren't moving up the ladder.

The positives of the day were De Goey, he was brilliant playing full time midfield and showed how good he is going to be. Josh Thomas had an excellent game in his first game back. Tom Langdon's 2nd half, especially his last quarter was very good and the signs are good he is close to getting back to his best. Mason Cox was good when the ball was kicked to him and it was great to see him kick straight.

Good analysis.

We were beaten in clearances +5. Isolated. The other two reasons aren't.

Why are the players' skills so horrible?
Why do the players consistently make the wrong decisions?

They are persistent issues. Buckley isn't paid the money he is to just identify the issues. You've done a great job at doing it for free. He needs to rectify them. He's had 6 years to do so.

[mudlark]

Just back from the game and dinner and have browsed through this thread. Not one poster has identified why we lost the game. Not one.

Unsurprisingly, for this site and from the usual suspects it is blame the coach and sack the coach. To be fair, as each week passes, it is becoming less and less likely that Buckley will keep his job, but posters seriously need wake up to themselves if they think we lost the game because of the coach. We could have had the best coach in the world coaching us today and we wouldn't have won.

We lost the game for three main reasons:
1) our skill execution was horrendous and as professional sportspeople the majority our players should be embarassed with the skill errors they served up today,
2) our decision making was appalling, the numbers of times our players chose the wrong option if you didn't see it, you wouldn't have believed it,
3) our much vaunted midfield should be ashamed of themselves. They were made to look like amateurs by one of, if not, the worst midfields in the competition. Going into the game we were the 2nd best stoppage/clearance side in the comp and they were 17th. Watching that game, you would have sworn the rankings were the opposite.

Despite all of our skill errors, dumb decisions and the worst performance of the year from our midfield, we still had our chances to win the game.

We are world champions at gifting goals to the opposition. All season we have worked our butts off to either get in front or stay level with our opponents or come from behind and in each and every situation just when we have the momentum or look like we have the momentum, we gift goals to the opposition. The end of the second quarter today was another example, we are on top, 4 goals to one in the quarter, to get back to level, then we gift 2 goals to Hawthorn in two minutes. One from rubbish play by in the middle and the other from rubbish play by our defenders.

A team cannot and will not win games of football in such an even competition against reasonable opposition if you gift your opponents multiple goals week in week out. Thus, you Buckley haters, even if we get a new coach, unless we cut out the gifting of multiple goals to the opponents week in week out, then we aren't moving up the ladder.

The positives of the day were De Goey, he was brilliant playing full time midfield and showed how good he is going to be. Josh Thomas had an excellent game in his first game back. Tom Langdon's 2nd half, especially his last quarter was very good and the signs are good he is close to getting back to his best. Mason Cox was good when the ball was kicked to him and it was great to see him kick straight.

I think you've lost sight of the forest there matey.Skill and execution errors come down to coaching. Don't you think? You keep selecting players who lack the basic skills required comes down to the coach and selectors.The lack of confidence within the playing group, who we know can fire at times, comes down to the non existent game plan that has them going all the way back to the defensive 10 yard square from the half forward flank.They are poorly schooled in what is required.It comes down to the coach. Who tells them to handball to someone in the middle of 3 opposition players? Who coaches the ruckman to palm the ball towards the opposition goal when we are running the other way?? The coach and the selectors.You're wrong, plain and simple.

[orie]

Another bitterly disappointing game to watch. Turnovers from poor kicking and poor decision making. The other thing that irked me was when Coxy kicked a goal and about 4 or 5 dorks started roughing him up and pushing him around. No one came in to remonstrate . Darcy Moore was close by and just watched and Steele arrived a little later. That was typical of the lack of physicality in our players. When Roughy missed an easy goal, no reaction from anyone.

There is no fire in the belly. I love my boys and Bucks and I don't think acking Bucks is the answer. I think we have too many players who are not hard enough for a start.

[thompsoc]

People are forgetting that the Hawks turned it over all day as well.
It was appalling from both sides.

[HAL]

Another bitterly disappointing game to watch. Turnovers from poor kicking and poor decision making. The other thing that irked me was when Coxy kicked a goal and about 4 or 5 dorks started roughing him up and pushing him around. No one came in to remonstrate . Darcy Moore was close by and just watched and Steele arrived a little later. That was typical of the lack of physicality in our players. When Roughy missed an easy goal, no reaction from anyone.

There is no fire in the belly. I love my boys and Bucks and I don't think acking Bucks is the answer. I think we have too many players who are not hard enough for a start.

We can't all be perfect. Why not?