George Floyd Police killing and protests

[Pies4shaw]

That's just baseless speculation, 5150. The video shows him falling backwards after being pushed and hitting his head. Nothing about it looks "planned".

[Lazza]

Lol, given they are usually protesting against the state and the police are apart of that, protestors will always complain about the police no matter what they do.

99.9% of people who have run ins with the police bring it in themselves then cry when the police fight back. Who wants to go to work every day to protect people only to be abused and spat on and yet if you dare retaliate, you get painted as the bad guy!

What a load of absolute bullshit. I have seen at least two or more cops kneeling in support of the protesters. I have seen hugs between the two parties. 99.9% of people have the right to protest. Most of the retaliation I see comes from the dumb coppers with no real methods to deal in a planned way. They are incompetent right wing imbeciles.

Tell me what Floyd did that could be deemed as being provocative? Tell me how brave and courageous it is to push a 75 year old for discussing the issue with a nitwit copper? If Holyfield or Tyson had been the person involved, would the demented coppers push them to the ground? Yeah right

Lets face the facts, it was totally uncalled for and yet another stupid decision by a garbage right wing copper...

[watt price tully]

Lol, given they are usually protesting against the state and the police are apart of that, protestors will always complain about the police no matter what they do.

99.9% of people who have run ins with the police bring it in themselves then cry when the police fight back. Who wants to go to work every day to protect people only to be abused and spat on and yet if you dare retaliate, you get painted as the bad guy!

What a load of absolute bullshit. I have seen at least two or more cops kneeling in support of the protesters. I have seen hugs between the two parties. 99.9% of people have the right to protest. Most of the retaliation I see comes from the dumb coppers with no real methods to deal in a planned way. They are incompetent right wing imbecile
Tell me what Floyd did that could be deemed as being provocative?... x

He was black in a public place ... must have brought it on himself.

[Wokko]

I'm all for defunding police. The sooner we have private police the better.

[David]

Lol, given they are usually protesting against the state and the police are apart of that, protestors will always complain about the police no matter what they do.

99.9% of people who have run ins with the police bring it in themselves then cry when the police fight back. Who wants to go to work every day to protect people only to be abused and spat on and yet if you dare retaliate, you get painted as the bad guy!

I think Chris Rock had a good bit on this:

https://youtu.be/1h5sRgW6sQY

[5150]

That's just baseless speculation, 5150. The video shows him falling backwards after being pushed and hitting his head. Nothing about it looks "planned".

Totally agree with you P4S. Baseless and speculative.

But he planned to be at the rally, he was looking for a reaction from the police, got a shove and fell down like Matthew Lloyd. Free kick at best.

[Wokko]

https://www.analyzingamerica.org/breaki ... PC3blzd4iI

[pietillidie]

That's just baseless speculation, 5150. The video shows him falling backwards after being pushed and hitting his head. Nothing about it looks "planned".

Totally agree with you P4S. Baseless and speculative.

But he planned to be at the rally, he was looking for a reaction from the police, got a shove and fell down like Matthew Lloyd. Free kick at best.

Shoving him over and walking on by shows that no threat was perceived. I'm no expert, but I am guessing that when no threat is perceived (or indeed if a threat is perceived), shoving people over and walking on is not a known policing or crowd control strategy.

Also, I think your questioning of his motives misses the point of the protest. Enforcement is the very thing being protested against, so provoking a reaction from enforcement is part of the protest. In this case, he proved his point as his own expense; it's hard to ask much more of a protester drawing attention to a serious problem.

[pietillidie]

https://www.analyzingamerica.org/breaking-the-violent-criminal-past-of-george-floyd-the-liberal-media-is-hiding/?fbclid=IwAR2JAS48i96eI6baxRCWmaCdOMQXDHUDKVaWF6ORJISXDRjAaPC3blzd4iI

I can see the subject from the link. I agree it is being downplayed, but it makes zero difference to the situation because (a) the police didn't know that, (b) the police are not street execution squads, and (c) every black person knows it could've been them, no matter how righteous they are.

Your effort here is well beside the point, unless your point is that black people should be assumed to be criminals and therefore subject to dangerous arrest. Hence, the protests.

Next, you'll compulsively scour the conspiracy web for evidence to show that they must have suspected he was a dangerous criminal, even though his colleagues just stood there sipping tea.

And so on, compulsively deflecting for the cause and the warm feeling of Facebook likes from fellow travellers.

[eddiesmith]

Whilst America has a lot of issues and its hardly confined to its police force, the thought that whoever you interact with on a daily basis could be armed would make it a very unnerving job, but its funny to see the same people who hate America and hate Australia being Allies with America are the same sheep latching onto this cause.

The coronavirus has probably made everyone just a bit more crazy and that's contributed to the level of unrest

[think positive]

https://www.analyzingamerica.org/breaking-the-violent-criminal-past-of-george-floyd-the-liberal-media-is-hiding/?fbclid=IwAR2JAS48i96eI6baxRCWmaCdOMQXDHUDKVaWF6ORJISXDRjAaPC3blzd4iI

I can see the subject from the link. I agree it is being downplayed, but it makes zero difference to the situation because (a) the police didn't know that, (b) the police are not street execution squads, and (c) every black person knows it could've been them, no matter how righteous they are.

Your effort here is well beside the point, unless your point is that black people should be assumed to be criminals and therefore subject to dangerous arrest. Hence, the protests.

Next, you'll compulsively scour the conspiracy web for evidence to show that they must have suspected he was a dangerous criminal, even though his colleagues just stood there sipping tea.

And so on, compulsively deflecting for the cause and the warm feeling of Facebook likes from fellow travellers.

Re point A, that might not be true, apparently the cop that killed him worked security with him at some point, so he might have known, but it’s still no excuse.

Well said Eddie, very different circumstances to being a cop here. When a cop is shot here, it’s front page for a long time, in the States its on page 3.[/b]

[K]

Colin Powell:

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics ... tu-vpx.cnn

[stui magpie]

I'm all for defunding police. The sooner we have private police the better.

Absolutely totally disagree. Police for mine need to remain an arm of the elected government. I think we have a pretty good model here, much better than the USA.

If cities in the US defund their Police, that could be the dumbest thing they've done. That pendulum swing to anarchy could be brutal.

[Pies4shaw]

“Defund the Police” doesn’t mean abolishing them. It seems to mean reducing the police spend and increasing the amounts spent on services. Here’s a useful explanatory piece about what’s intended:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... es-it-mean

Makes sense to me provided they don’t treat the slogan literally.

[stui magpie]

That's one view, others I've read are that Minneapolis is going to abolish it's Police department and other cities are going to strip there's.

The principle of spending less on law enforcement and more on preventative services is nothing new and is idealistically sound. It's the implementation that determines how practical it is.

Every society has laws or rules and people charged with enforcing them, for those who want to abolish Police, be very very careful what you wish for.