Rucking Duties

[What'sinaname]

I've driven through Geelong. It's a shithole

[slangman]

People just gloss over the actual facts here so much

Fact since Grundy signed the mega deal he’s ranked the 8th best ruckman in the competition based on champion data records only Gawn and Nic Nat are paid anywhere near his realm of salary and both ranked much higher

Fact once he signed the mega deal his first public comment was his life wouldn’t be defined by what he achieved on a football field ! (For someone just handed $7 million one would have thought he may have said something along the lines of I’ll do whatever it takes to bring success to the club)

Fact Grundy’s management have driven this in the media non stop to there advantage. No one from Collingwood has come out and confirmed we are willing to pay $300k. The fact is suitors value Grundy at a $600/$700k player not the million we paid him

Fact since Grundy was injured our team performed much better with our winning % going from 50% (3-3) at time of injury to 13-3 (regular season results) or just over 75%
Yes it can be argued the team evolved more as the season progressed with a new game plan. It can also be argued with Cameron and Cox it suited the new game plan much better than playing Grundy. Both Cameron and Cox do one thing markedly better than Grundy they take marks above there head and they kick the odd goal

I was never sold on Grundy at a million a season and stated several times players earning that sort of money he need to be match winners like a Petracca or Oliver or Neale etc
Ruckman dont win you big games in today’s football world
Stanley will battle Hickey in the GF who combined salaries would be about 50% of Grundy’s
Neither lead any stats all they do is make a contest at stoppages and centre bounces that’s it

Personally I like the idea of him going to Melbourne it closes there premiership window for 5 years (more likely 2 years until he’s offloaded again) when they realise Gawn isn’t a FF and Grundy isn’t a ruckman who taps the ball to his teams advantage and there clearance game suffers dramatically
For a team with no true power forward and lacking in mids we went within a point of a GF
Fill those gaps and refine the game plan and get more miles and experience into the likes of Johnson Carmichael etc and we have a bright future

You have hit the nail on the head

[slangman]

People just gloss over the actual facts here so much

Fact since Grundy signed the mega deal he’s ranked the 8th best ruckman in the competition based on champion data records only Gawn and Nic Nat are paid anywhere near his realm of salary and both ranked much higher

Fact once he signed the mega deal his first public comment was his life wouldn’t be defined by what he achieved on a football field ! (For someone just handed $7 million one would have thought he may have said something along the lines of I’ll do whatever it takes to bring success to the club)

Fact Grundy’s management have driven this in the media non stop to there advantage. No one from Collingwood has come out and confirmed we are willing to pay $300k. The fact is suitors value Grundy at a $600/$700k player not the million we paid him

Fact since Grundy was injured our team performed much better with our winning % going from 50% (3-3) at time of injury to 13-3 (regular season results) or just over 75%
Yes it can be argued the team evolved more as the season progressed with a new game plan. It can also be argued with Cameron and Cox it suited the new game plan much better than playing Grundy. Both Cameron and Cox do one thing markedly better than Grundy they take marks above there head and they kick the odd goal

I was never sold on Grundy at a million a season and stated several times players earning that sort of money he need to be match winners like a Petracca or Oliver or Neale etc
Ruckman dont win you big games in today’s football world
Stanley will battle Hickey in the GF who combined salaries would be about 50% of Grundy’s
Neither lead any stats all they do is make a contest at stoppages and centre bounces that’s it

Personally I like the idea of him going to Melbourne it closes there premiership window for 5 years (more likely 2 years until he’s offloaded again) when they realise Gawn isn’t a FF and Grundy isn’t a ruckman who taps the ball to his teams advantage and there clearance game suffers dramatically
For a team with no true power forward and lacking in mids we went within a point of a GF
Fill those gaps and refine the game plan and get more miles and experience into the likes of Johnson Carmichael etc and we have a bright future

You have hit the nail on the head

[slangman]

Grundys best is extremely good as he has proven. Unfortunately for him, that was quite a while ago now.

Yes, the last time he played for us - last qtr on Anzac Day when he almost single handedly won us that game (with a bung knee) - was quite a while ago now.

One quarter in 2.5 seasons??

[eddiesmith]

They say that football is played by physical skill combined with mental ability. After he got his contract, I cannot fathom why Gundry wouldn’t have been so committed to perform to the very best of his ability to bring success to Collingwood. He should have stated this loud and clear, even during his time with his injury. I too agree with Qld 67 that his management have been terrible and worse than amateurish. If he wants out, let him go but we must be compensated really well, nothing less. If Collingwood don’t benefit from him leaving, then we will be stitched up yet again on these trades.

I’ve been attacked when I dare to suggest that the motivation to perform is no longer there when you’re set up for life, especially for a player like Grundy given his public comments.

You're not the victim here, and Brodie Grundy's life and circumstances are not all about you, so stop appropriating them. You're getting far too close to obsessive stalking over the bloke for comfort.

It's extremely obvious you're an average Joe projecting your own psychology on a high performer. You're discussing something miles outside your life and world experience with an embarrassing confidence that makes everyone else cringe and think you're a few sandwiches short. The internet might encourage this, but that doesn't make it more becoming.

Face reality: your challenge is very different to that of Brodie Grundy. You have never been self-motivated enough to excel at something to an extent that you have experienced something like being drafted, achieving AA and being offered an enormous contract in a bidding war. Your obliviouness as to how loud and clear this is is cringeworthy.

You could've held the view that we can't afford Grundy without all that ugly acting out and projection. Get a grip on yourself and start grasping the difference between intrinsic motivation of the sort Brodie Grundy has clearly had all his life as a high performer, and the fantasy you have that if someone paid you more that you'd magically start excelling. You won't; it takes intrinsic motivation to excel at something.

Always entertaining reading your bullshit, good to know you exactly what Brodies thinking, might explain why you prefer him getting paid over the clubs success. Tell him I think he’s a halfwit and the club will be far better off without him.

[Pies4shaw]

You're just a trolling %$^%$.

[slangman]

The newspaper reported last week that Tom Hawkins, who was awarded the AA captaincy this year, is on a salary of about $400,000, so the answer to your question may be that some of their players are less greedy and selfish than some of ours.

Having just finished reading Neil Balmes book, you can see why he was able to hold premiership lists together a little longer than most.

“How much do you need?” opposed to “how much do you want?” was his philosophy which probably explains why players like Hawkins are on 300-400k.

Going back say, two seasons, Hawk is bit older now, but say, two seasons ago , if he was out of contract, and a Melbourne club, offered him say, $700 000 for three yrs, per year, you telling me hed knock back 300K more per year, to stay with the Cats ?? Thats $900 K more, every man has his price, he would not have knocked that back, turn it up.

Whatever the exact figures are, Hawkins has stayed at Geelong for less than he is worth on the open market. But he also isn’t the only one.
Have a read of Balmes book and it will explain the philosophy and attitude that he implemented at Geelong when he arrived after his unceremonious exit from Collingwood.

[Pies4shaw]

I’ve been attacked when I dare to suggest that the motivation to perform is no longer there when you’re set up for life, especially for a player like Grundy given his public comments.

Bullshit. You've been attacked because you're a disrespectful trolling %$^%$.

[eddiesmith]

You're just a trolling %$^%$$%.

Lol, talking of halfwits …

No, but I am enjoying seeing the anger flow from those who for whatever reason have more love of a certain player than the club winning premierships.

Still waiting for Freo to win a premiership which was guaranteed when Tarrant was ousted, this seems to have similar vibes of anger from a very small group of people.

[Pies4shaw]

What's your IQ - does it reach 64 with the wind behind you, kicking to the Yarra Falls End?

[pietillidie]

^Eddie's smart alright, which is why he's so disruptive and caught between succeeding due to that intelligence, and failing by letting his anger and bitterness offside everyone around him in a world that's not a basement for lone minds. Dealing with that takes courage and self-reflection, not deflection and scapegoating.

A lot of us have done life tough, Eddie, but we don't beat down on blokes that aren't here to defend themselves as a substitute for finding a way through things. There are plenty of real scumbags out there to focus on if you really must.

[lazzadesilva]

I’ve been attacked when I dare to suggest that the motivation to perform is no longer there when you’re set up for life, especially for a player like Grundy given his public comments.
QLD 67 absolutely nailed it, but facts aren’t welcome by the Grundy cult who worship their hero more than the football club they claim to support.

Only frightened fools will accept mediocre performances from a person paid millions to do the opposite. At the very least, this can be seen as daylight robbery. He needs to have a good look at his attitude towards the club.

[eddiesmith]

I’ve been attacked when I dare to suggest that the motivation to perform is no longer there when you’re set up for life, especially for a player like Grundy given his public comments.
QLD 67 absolutely nailed it, but facts aren’t welcome by the Grundy cult who worship their hero more than the football club they claim to support.

Only frightened fools will accept mediocre performances from a person paid millions to do the opposite. At the very least, this can be seen as daylight robbery. He needs to have a good look at his attitude towards the club.

Yep and the level they’ll go to defending them is frightening, but that’s alright we’ve seen it before when people fall in love with a footballer or coach that doesn’t perform eventually they get over it.

Apparently the fact he earns millions of dollars is why we can’t say a bad word about the poor sensitive soul…

[burnsy17]

Have all the exit interviews been done?

Why hasn’t he come out and said he wants to leave yet??

[pietillidie]

I’ve been attacked when I dare to suggest that the motivation to perform is no longer there when you’re set up for life, especially for a player like Grundy given his public comments.
QLD 67 absolutely nailed it, but facts aren’t welcome by the Grundy cult who worship their hero more than the football club they claim to support.

Only frightened fools will accept mediocre performances from a person paid millions to do the opposite. At the very least, this can be seen as daylight robbery. He needs to have a good look at his attitude towards the club.

That's true to an extent; you have to do what's best for the whole, and it takes courage to draw firm boundaries. It also takes courage to wear your own mistakes, such as signing an over-weight contract.

But just as there's no point harping on about the contract and going after Eddie and whoever now what's done is done, there's also no point inventing magical ideas such as the silly notion that people wilfully underperform.

Malignant narcissists and sociopaths might wilfully underperform, but no one has seen that in Grundy ever. And even then those extreme conditions are pathologies, albeit destructive and insufferable ones.

Grundy shows only vulnerability as a person, hence his withdrawn nature and inability to communicate. Even if there is some unfortunate reaction about Grundy's stance (for instance, sometimes people are bitter over something and demand more for themselves in reaction, which is by no means uncommon), you still don't know enough about the dynamics involved.

In such cases, rather than going all tabloid, it's safe to assume people have their reasons and don't wilfully underperform for the fun of it. Stuff happens to people from without and within, and without that knowledge it's best to say nothing and wish for a good outcome for us and the bloke concerned.

You will feel a right heel if it turns out the bloke has far greater vulnerabilities than we know. Money doesn't reflect mental health or personal stability, not by a long shot. And it is only coin-toss internet big-mouthing to expect the most malign of reasons underlie everything that happens in life. It's also incredibly unhealthy.

Far more often, shite happens beyond people's own understanding and immediate control. As a club, if we've made the calculation and we're sticking to it, and working for the good of the whole and correcting past mistakes, then so be it. I don't begrudge the club doing the best it can as it is mandated.

Be happy with that maturity from the club without sinking the boot into a young bloke we don't know from Job, monied or not, on the basis of such little knowledge of the history, facts and dynamics involved.