Nick's Collingwood Bulletin Board

MAY-Z wrote:

Boot wrote:So now it is open knowledge that Grundy is being traded to relieve salary cap pressure on Collingwood to Melbourne so that they will be a stronger team and likely to be a real challenger for the flag in 2023 just when Collingwood has hopes of getting to the Grand Final as well. At the same time as Collingwood is looking to recruit Dan McStay on a reported salary of $600K for 5 years, the Club is looking to off-load Grundy's $1,000K salary by paying Melbourne $300K to take him. That equates to maybe a $100K saving for exchange of Grundy for McStay. Collingwood can expect to get maybe Pick 13 from Melbourne in the deal.
I have a couple of alternative ideas that I'm really surprised and disappointed that Collingwood and Graham Wright haven't thought it through;
1. Don't recruit Dan McStay and instead keep Brody Grundy to help in our push to a premiership.
2. Instead of dealing with Melbourne and helping a real competitor for the flag next year be a better team, why not deal with Nth Melbourne who are desperate for some good news and a class ruckman to take over from their aging champion Todd Goldstein. Surely Nth Melbourne would give up their Pick 1 in the Draft for Grundy and not insist that Collingwood pay part of Grundy's salary for the next 5 years?
Come on Wright put the thinking cap on and do the right thing by Collingwood and push the trading of Grundy into the positive side of the ledger!!

Where to start with this

He isn’t being traded to relieve salary cap pressure, he is being traded as he isn’t performing to the level of the contract, so his funds can be better utilised throughout the entire squad

The way his contract is stricter he has a few $1.2m years coming up, so even if we pay $300k and McStay is around $550k that’s still a saving that allows Hill to come in for free salary wise

McStay is coming and will be confirmed today, he enables the team to strengthen at either end of the ground

I don’t think he will strengthen Melbourne that much, as if he is playing ruck and doing well, then Gawn isn’t, and vice-versa.

As Grundy is in contract you can’t trade him without consent so he needs to agree with where he is going, so you can’t just send him to North Melbourne

Piesnchess wrote:^ Yeh, but WHY is it always US who cops it, time after bloody time. ??

Piesnchess wrote: I TRUST you will feel the same way, IF we play the Deees in a GF, or any big Final, and Grundy is one of their BOG, and leads them to a stirring victory over US, with a club he did NOT even want to go too. ?? Imagine him running around the MCG holding a Premiership Cup, with his new team mates, while our blokes look on shattered and forlorn.

Think bout THAT likely prospect for once, a nightmare scenario that could well ocme true.

Geek wrote:

Piesnchess wrote: I TRUST you will feel the same way, IF we play the Deees in a GF, or any big Final, and Grundy is one of their BOG, and leads them to a stirring victory over US, with a club he did NOT even want to go too. ?? Imagine him running around the MCG holding a Premiership Cup, with his new team mates, while our blokes look on shattered and forlorn.

Think bout THAT likely prospect for once, a nightmare scenario that could well ocme true.

And I TRUST that when we front up to another grand final with a re-purposed VFL full back as our as our only tall forward and someone of the calibre of Tyson Goldsack holding down full back while our midfield gets walked all over by its opposition, you won't have to imagine anything.

You'll just have to remember the last time we went into a grand final with undersized engine room and spine. I'll admit though that Grundy did do well for us that day up against a couple of rucks little better than Cameron/Cox. Oh hang on....

Anyway... Like you said "Think bout THAT likely prospect for once, a nightmare scenario that could well ocme true" because it actually has. We reprised it again against the Cats this year (twice) and the Swans in the prelim roll roll eyeroll roll times infinity roll

And if we're dealing in "what if the scary thing happens", we beat Carlton by 4 points when they lost Weitering mid game. We beat them by a point when they finished off a month long choke kicking 0.6 in the last quarter to go down in the last minute. Can't say that that's too common a series of events. You fancy going into a final against Weitering/McKay/Curnow/Cripps/Walsh/Hewitt/Cerra with our meagre spine and mids? You reckon Grundy can make a difference there? It's nothing for top flight mids to shark a dominant opposition ruck.

Pies4shaw wrote:^ Where’s the evidence of that? The Coach knows how to do the coaching job but our recruiting and drafting has been, for the most part, shitful. It may be better this year but I’m inclined to wait and see.

Geek wrote:It needed to be said, P4S and I thought it fitting to write it in the style of the poster I was responding to. (Hugs to PnC) For all the possible whatabouts with Reg leaving, there are plenty of yeahbutremembers with Reg staying.

He's a good player. We are probably better with him in our 22, unless we can use his list spot and TPP payments on fixing areas of greater need. I'll admit that at this stage of the player merry-go-round, it doesn't look like we would be able to get anyone that will raise us up by too much and that we are possibly best holding on to the big fella for another year but there's still a fair bit of trade week to play out.

As you mentioned, our opponents have some top shelf CS midfielders. My count, with Pendles in decline, is that we have 1 in DeGoey and I believe that you think that's being a bit generous. Sure could do with some beefing up there

Yes. God help us if they find a forward that can take a mark. Putting Grundy on their books all but guarantees that won't happen as they won't be able to afford one. Not unless Van Rooyen takes off in the next few years. Meanwhile, we could do with one of those tall forwards who can take a mark/kick straight/finish games etc. We'll be in a far better place to bid on such a player with some cap space freed up.

MatthewBoydFanClub wrote:

Pies4shaw wrote:^ Where’s the evidence of that? The Coach knows how to do the coaching job but our recruiting and drafting has been, for the most part, shitful. It may be better this year but I’m inclined to wait and see.

It was shitful under Nathan Buckley. There's nothing that Wrighty has done so far that would suggest he doesn't know what he's doing. The jury is still out on Kreuger and Charlie Dean who were both injured this year. Lipinski has been a revelation for someone we got on the cheap (potentially another Crisp).

MatthewBoydFanClub wrote: This is exactly why we're chasing Frampton and McStay yet people are complaining here that neither are any good. Then there's people complaining about Bobby Hill, yet the one thing we lack in our forward line is leg speed since Stephenson left. And with our ruck situation there's suggestions we should chase Sam Hayes. Hayes couldn't even get a game at the AFL's worst ruck division with Port Adelaide. The most obvious way of getting a ruckman is through the draft as ruckmen take longer to mature and there's always one or two near the bottom of the draft pool that deserve recruiting. The moral is I'll leave it to the club to decide our wants and needs. They seem to know what they're doing.

MatthewBoydFanClub wrote:

Geek wrote:It needed to be said, P4S and I thought it fitting to write it in the style of the poster I was responding to. (Hugs to PnC) For all the possible whatabouts with Reg leaving, there are plenty of yeahbutremembers with Reg staying.

He's a good player. We are probably better with him in our 22, unless we can use his list spot and TPP payments on fixing areas of greater need. I'll admit that at this stage of the player merry-go-round, it doesn't look like we would be able to get anyone that will raise us up by too much and that we are possibly best holding on to the big fella for another year but there's still a fair bit of trade week to play out.

As you mentioned, our opponents have some top shelf CS midfielders. My count, with Pendles in decline, is that we have 1 in DeGoey and I believe that you think that's being a bit generous. Sure could do with some beefing up there

Yes. God help us if they find a forward that can take a mark. Putting Grundy on their books all but guarantees that won't happen as they won't be able to afford one. Not unless Van Rooyen takes off in the next few years. Meanwhile, we could do with one of those tall forwards who can take a mark/kick straight/finish games etc. We'll be in a far better place to bid on such a player with some cap space freed up.

I'll be honest and say I'd prefer we got Taranto. However he chose Richmond. What do you expect us to do? If they don't want to come to Collingwood there's not much you can do. The annoying thing is Steve May wanted to come to Collingwood and we only had money for either May or Beams and we chose Beams to return to the club. It's those decisions that kill your premiership chances, not the ones where you'd like to recruit a Tom Lynch, but he's too expensive and doesn't want to come, so you aim for a Daniel McStay instead.