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Islam, the left and feminism.

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Something I've never understood is the left's fascination with Islam, of which most fundamental beliefs conflict so openly with the progressive lefts.

I found this website referred to in the Aged and had a look, found this article which I find refreshing in it's honesty even though I have NFI about the different versions of feminism or what intersectional even is. The quoted bit is the opening section from the article by a young Muslim woman, Omayma Mohamed, who has renounced Islam.

I think it's an interesting article, as a lot of the stuff is on this site.
I attended the infamous “#Feminist” speaking event at the Sydney Town Hall. It was a discussion between Roxane Gay, a Haitian-born intersectional feminist, and Christina Hoff Sommers, a self-described “equity feminist.” I went with the intention of confronting my growing disillusionment with the morally proscriptive nature of intersectional feminism and the broader leftist movement. I harboured hopes that the divisive behaviour I was seeing on social media was disproportionately represented by radicals and that the event would bring some sense to the madness. Instead, I left feeling completely alienated from a movement that once brought me so much hope.

It was my second crisis of faith in three years, the first being my renunciation of Islam at the age of 21. Free from the shackles of fundamentalism, I embraced the left-wing movement with open arms. Until only recently, I saw it as a celebration of everything I’d been denied as a devout Muslim. As a woman who’d been forced into the hijab at puberty, trapped within the Islamic guardianship system and restricted by groupthink, I loved the emphasis on individuality, choice and autonomy that I found in progressive politics. My exposure to abuses of power allowed me to relate to identity politics and victimhood narratives.

This began to change about six months ago when I became involved with the ex-Muslim movement. As I became acquainted with the activism of role models such as Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Yasmine Mohamed, Armin Navabi and Ali Rizvi, I began to recognise the cognitive dissonance afflicting the left, leaving them with a severe blind spot. A bizarre alliance with Islam, a set of very conservative ideas, has earned them the label of “regressive left’’ instead. Their misguided campaign against “Islamophobia” has failed to separate the ideology from the people, conflating prejudice against Muslims with valid opposition to the doctrine. The stigma has hindered constructive discourse and established a concerning trend whereby issues typically challenged by the left, such as homophobia and gender inequality are disregarded where prevalent in Muslim majority countries or even Muslim communities within the west.

Like me, many ex-Muslims have felt it to be their responsibility to fill this void in leftist activism. Yet we are often met with reflexive accusations of bigotry or intolerance. Despite lived experiences and intimate understanding of the doctrine driving our stances, we are denied a platform to voice them. This censorship of confronting ideas stems from the left’s fixation on distinguishing themselves from the right. A severe overcorrection has ironically pushed them into an illiberal territory. Affiliates of the left must conform to prescribed beliefs and behaviours to prove their loyalty. Those that pass the test are rewarded with the illustrious “woke” status. Failure to do so carries the risk of misalignment with “the enemy” and exile as a result.
It's a long article, but very interesting I think

https://quillette.com/2019/04/28/how-in ... lim-women/
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FWIW, here's the Aged article on the woman who started the site.

https://www.theage.com.au/business/comp ... 51hz8.html
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She'd last 2 seconds on Nick's.
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stui magpie wrote:FWIW, here's the Aged article on the woman who started the site.

https://www.theage.com.au/business/comp ... 51hz8.html
I expected a hit piece but the reporter just stuck to straight reporting.
The article even contained a reasonable description of the James Damore/Google situation.
I don't think Jennifer Duke will last long at the SMH/The Age.
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"Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange
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Interesting and thoughtful response.

I'm curious how you decided that Quillete was a right leaning publication? Was that based on the site content or something else?

My viewing of the content would base it fairly centre but certainly challenging some leftish ideologies.
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"Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange
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From what the Aged article said, the genesis of the site was to provide an alternative news site that wasn't biased. I guess if you were successful at that you'd have both right and left wingers accusing you of bias. :wink:

I like how the articles don't obviously used biased language but present a reasoned argument, a lot of things in the article I posted resonated with me, hence I shared it here. I think it's a worthwhile discussion, separating Islam and it's clear shortcomings as a way of life and belief system (not just a religion) and Muslims who are the people born into the pervasive culture with often no choice in the matter.
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...but looking at their website it seems they do have certain agendas that situate them in the so-called "intellectual dark web" sphere.
Here's a table of the political positions of leading members of the IDW.
https://danielmiessler.com/blog/a-visua ... positions/
Note: Rubin is definitely not a Republican voter.

Apart from Shapiro the members are either left or left-leaning.
For example, Weinstein along with his brother (Brett) and Heather Heyling voted Sanders. Harris was a big Hilary fan.

However, if you disagree with this assessment, there's a good critique of the IDW's political orientation in a magazine called Quillette:
https://quillette.com/2019/04/17/is-the ... y-diverse/
You know, the right-leaning with a political agenda one.
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Not sure how David Rubin gets to be counted among the "intellectual dark web". Always comes across as a bit of an intellectual lightweight to me.
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roar wrote:Not sure how David Rubin gets to be counted among the "intellectual dark web". Always comes across as a bit of an intellectual lightweight to me.
Rubin primarily interviews those who are in the so-called "intellectual dark web".
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Yes, I know but he also gets listed as a part of the group. Maybe I am being a bit harsh on him but he just doesn't seem that sharp. Rogan also is an interviewer and though not at the same intellectual level as the Weinstein brothers, he does show capacity for deep thinking. Rubin, on the other hand comes across as a bit of a bimbo.
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I don't mind Rubin, but he's certainly not in the same intellectual realm as others such as Peterson, the Weinstein brothers, Shapiro and etc.

I also enjoy listening to Rogan's podcast, but a common criticism of him is his flip flopping nature on certain positions depending on the guest.
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What's openly being 'taught', even in the USA, in these so called Islamic schools, is quite alarming. I'm thinking the penny is going to drop by around 2021, when things really heat up.

Philadelphia schoolchildren sing anti-Israel songs
Muslim schoolchildren in Philadelphia perform anti-Israel songs at event 'Islamic science' event.

Two Twitter videos show a boys' performance and a girls' performance, both embracing terrorism and promoting anti-Semitism. Both songs featured in the performances were produced by the Jordanian "Birds of Paradise" children's group.

In the boys' song, lyrics include: "The blood of the martyrs is calling us" and "Sword and text, oh free men/ until we liberate our lands/until we reach our anchorages/ and we crush the traitor" as.well as "Oh rivers of the martyrs, lads."

In the girls' song, students sang: "They were attacked by the army of darkness, and they occupied our Aqsa for years/ but Saladin came to us, an army committed to our religion / God with clear victory / he achieved a dream and returned al-Aqsa / And the Zionists today returned / They occupied al-Aqsa /
But we are not to blame / and our Masra will be restored."

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/262639
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Typical religious programming via song, although most don't indoctrinate kids toward violence.
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