Clarkson to take leave to 'focus on his wellbeing'

Use this forum for non-Collingwood related footy topics that don't relate specifically to any of the other forums. For non-footy sporting topics please use Nick's Sports Bar and for non-sporting topics please use the Victoria Park Tavern.

Moderator: bbmods

User avatar
LaurieHolden
Posts: 3751
Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:04 am
Location: Victoria Park
Has liked: 138 times
Been liked: 134 times

Clarkson to take leave to 'focus on his wellbeing'

Post by LaurieHolden »

Huge news ~

Clarkson to take leave to 'focus on his wellbeing'

https://www.afl.com.au/news/927831/clar ... wellbeing-
"The Club's not Jock, Ted and Gerry" (& Eddie)
2023 AFL Premiers
What'sinaname
Posts: 20035
Joined: Sat May 29, 2010 10:00 pm
Location: Living rent free
Has liked: 2 times
Been liked: 9 times

Post by What'sinaname »

Wow!!!

Incoming huge legal issues for the AFL about mental health and wellbeing.
Fighting against the objectification of woman.
User avatar
Jezza
Posts: 29175
Joined: Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:28 pm
Location: Ponsford End
Has liked: 127 times
Been liked: 191 times

Post by Jezza »

Hope Clarkson and co take the AFL to the cleaners.

The process has been farcical from the start.
šŸ† | 1902 | 1903 | 1910 | 1917 | 1919 | 1927 | 1928 | 1929 | 1930 | 1935 | 1936 | 1953 | 1958 | 1990 | 2010 | 2023 | šŸ†
User avatar
LaurieHolden
Posts: 3751
Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:04 am
Location: Victoria Park
Has liked: 138 times
Been liked: 134 times

Post by LaurieHolden »

^There's a clear outpouring for Clarko, fair enough, but let's not forget there's two sides to this story and we need to take this into account.
Irrespective of how this has been handled, I'd implore people to take a moment to gain perspective on the broader story before they offer a byline of what 'they think' as opposed to an informed opinion.
"The Club's not Jock, Ted and Gerry" (& Eddie)
2023 AFL Premiers
User avatar
stui magpie
Posts: 54645
Joined: Tue May 03, 2005 10:10 am
Location: In flagrante delicto
Has liked: 71 times
Been liked: 73 times

Post by stui magpie »

The story about the allegations of racist behaviour surfaced last year. There's been no resolution for the complainants and none of the accused has had the opportunity to formally respond to the allegations, so no one can be happy and everyone involved would be suffering from stress and anxiety.

I agree with Jezza, the process has been farcical.
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down.
What'sinaname
Posts: 20035
Joined: Sat May 29, 2010 10:00 pm
Location: Living rent free
Has liked: 2 times
Been liked: 9 times

Post by What'sinaname »

LH - I think we can be outraged over how Clarkson has been treated.

The other side of the storyĀ are just allegations at this stage. Nothing more, nothing less.
Fighting against the objectification of woman.
User avatar
LaurieHolden
Posts: 3751
Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:04 am
Location: Victoria Park
Has liked: 138 times
Been liked: 134 times

Post by LaurieHolden »

^ who's we? Surely today's release wasn't the catalyst for anyone apart from Clarko / Fagan and their families to be 'outraged'. I must have missed the earlier threads on the matter.

Clarko's certainly outraged, it has impacted him personally and professionally. For the rest of us I think not.

What are we to be outraged over? Undoubtedly October until now has been some time, but have you ever known a legal matter with this sort of weight to be resolved any quicker?
If there's been a miscarriage of justice, if you can even call it that, well we'll soon find out. I could see this dragging on for some time yet unless mediation or a settlement is achieved within a few months. It's clearly got willing behind the scenes.
"The Club's not Jock, Ted and Gerry" (& Eddie)
2023 AFL Premiers
User avatar
stui magpie
Posts: 54645
Joined: Tue May 03, 2005 10:10 am
Location: In flagrante delicto
Has liked: 71 times
Been liked: 73 times

Post by stui magpie »

8 months is ridiculous. In a past life I did investigations into allegations of physical violence by Residential Care workers against resi care kids.

We had to stand the alleged perpetrator down from work, with pay, and weren't allowed to even tell them what the allegations were or commence the investigation until the Police gave us clearance that they had finished their investigation. That sometimes took months, meanwhile the alleged perp is sitting at home, not knowing WTF is going on. If they're found guilty, not only do they lose their job but their WWCC so buggered to work in the industry.

Reckon they were stressed much?

I understand the complainants have had issues about how they want the process to work, but natural justice isn't served well by dragging shit out so long with no valid reasons.
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down.
What'sinaname
Posts: 20035
Joined: Sat May 29, 2010 10:00 pm
Location: Living rent free
Has liked: 2 times
Been liked: 9 times

Post by What'sinaname »

Buckley to coach North.

Would close the circle!!
Fighting against the objectification of woman.
slangman
Posts: 2702
Joined: Mon Aug 11, 2003 1:48 pm
Has liked: 23 times
Been liked: 9 times

Post by slangman »

LaurieHolden wrote:^There's a clear outpouring for Clarko, fair enough, but let's not forget there's two sides to this story and we need to take this into account.
Irrespective of how this has been handled, I'd implore people to take a moment to gain perspective on the broader story before they offer a byline of what 'they think' as opposed to an informed opinion.
I hope that youā€™re not referring to the accusers??

The cowardly accusers and amateur ā€œinvestigatorsā€ have not been heā€™d to account for what had transpired. To have not interviewed Clarkson, Fagan and Birt is farcical and was a deliberate tactic to get to where we are today. It has become more apparent by the day that this was nothing more than a smear campaign to totally destroy their credibility.
I watched Shaun Burgoyne on the Front Bar and as an indigenous player in the same environment, he was absolutely thankful and appreciative of what Clarkson did for him. A polar opposite perspective of Clarko to what has been portrayed by the cowards hiding behind their anonymity.
The rumours years ago of JA not living in the manner a professional footballer should be investigated. You might find that Clarko and co had his best interests at heart with the advice they gave him after turning up to his place to find bongs and drug paraphernalia strewn all over the place.
Phil Egan and the accusers have a lot to answer for. To gutless to go face to face with Clarko because they know that their feral behaviour will be front and centre and most probably in the media.
Clarko called the player out on lack of commitment and professionalism and the player and his partner played the ā€œracistā€ card!!!
- Side By Side -
User avatar
think positive
Posts: 40185
Joined: Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:33 pm
Location: somewhere
Has liked: 212 times
Been liked: 84 times

Post by think positive »

Jezza wrote:Hope Clarkson and co take the AFL to the cleaners.

The process has been farcical from the start.
Could not agree more
You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either!
User avatar
think positive
Posts: 40185
Joined: Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:33 pm
Location: somewhere
Has liked: 212 times
Been liked: 84 times

Post by think positive »

slangman wrote:
LaurieHolden wrote:^There's a clear outpouring for Clarko, fair enough, but let's not forget there's two sides to this story and we need to take this into account.
Irrespective of how this has been handled, I'd implore people to take a moment to gain perspective on the broader story before they offer a byline of what 'they think' as opposed to an informed opinion.
I hope that youā€™re not referring to the accusers??

The cowardly accusers and amateur ā€œinvestigatorsā€ have not been heā€™d to account for what had transpired. To have not interviewed Clarkson, Fagan and Birt is farcical and was a deliberate tactic to get to where we are today. It has become more apparent by the day that this was nothing more than a smear campaign to totally destroy their credibility.
I watched Shaun Burgoyne on the Front Bar and as an indigenous player in the same environment, he was absolutely thankful and appreciative of what Clarkson did for him. A polar opposite perspective of Clarko to what has been portrayed by the cowards hiding behind their anonymity.
The rumours years ago of JA not living in the manner a professional footballer should be investigated. You might find that Clarko and co had his best interests at heart with the advice they gave him after turning up to his place to find bongs and drug paraphernalia strewn all over the place.
Phil Egan and the accusers have a lot to answer for. To gutless to go face to face with Clarko because they know that their feral behaviour will be front and centre and most probably in the media.
Clarko called the player out on lack of commitment and professionalism and the player and his partner played the ā€œracistā€ card!!!

Exactly. The AFL and the media Have blood on their hands.

Collingwood fans got castrated for boooing a seasoned stager, because he also happened to be first nation, not everything is about race. This is out of control. Flog status is not a white only condition.

Some of the accusations are really mind blowing, if true, then he deserves to be in disgrace, but proof is needed, and even Charles Manson was entitled to a defence.


As for the hawks, he took them to four premierships and they have hung him out to dry.

After the do better report fiasco and now this, will any other club be stupid enough to do an internal review?

They want bodies. Not truth.
You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either!
User avatar
David
Posts: 50555
Joined: Sun Jul 27, 2003 4:04 pm
Location: the edge of the deep green sea
Has liked: 1 time
Been liked: 35 times

Post by David »

stui magpie wrote:natural justice isn't served well by dragging shit out so long with no valid reasons.
I agree with this. Nonetheless, I'm disturbed how the narrative has turned so quickly (and some would say predictably) to Clarko being the victim and the Indigenous accusers being at fault.

Many of us said it at the time, and I'll say it again: if Clarkson and Fagan did what they are accused of, they should never coach or be involved in any way in AFL again. So whatever issues we may have with the process taking so long or with how "unreasonable" the complainants have been, or whatever sympathy we feel for Clarkson for having to deal with this for so long, we shouldn't lose sight of the thing that's being investigated here. And neither should we forget that being accused of a horrendous act isn't worse than being subjected to it.
"Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." ā€“Ā Julian Assange
User avatar
think positive
Posts: 40185
Joined: Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:33 pm
Location: somewhere
Has liked: 212 times
Been liked: 84 times

Post by think positive »

IF.

such a big important little word.

There are at least 3 sides to every story, so far only an anonymous accusation, which has allowed to have been released. Without proof none of the accused should be on suicide watch.

Iā€™m not saying Clarkson is innocent, or the complainant is lying, Iā€™m saying no one should be found guilty by the gutter media and hung out to dry.

This is just disgusting,

The damn bullshit AFL wants to stamp out bullying, they call out collingwood for booing a flog of a player who happened to be First Nation, and allow the same coach calling it to indorse actual physical harm to a 20 year old kid.

I have never booed any one for the colour of their skin, I have never blindly believed anyone or disbelieved them for the colour of their skin.

EVERYBODY should be treated equally. That INCLUDES white people.

Clarkson is the scapegoat. The AFL is a piece of shit. And the media eats it up
You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either!
lazzadesilva
Posts: 2206
Joined: Tue Feb 04, 2003 7:01 pm
Has liked: 2 times
Been liked: 51 times

Post by lazzadesilva »

What'sinaname wrote:Buckley to coach North.

Would close the circle!!
I think that Clarkson will have a break until he is appointed Tasmaniaā€™s coach.
I term the current Collingwood attack based strategy ā€œUnceasing Wavesā€ like on a stormy and windy day with rough seas. A Perfect Storm ā˜”ļø
Post Reply