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Piesnchess
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^ i meant , credit of course, not debit.
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| Dr Pie wrote: | | 5 from the wing on debut wrote: | | Dr Pie wrote: | | Thank you finding the quote David. I am currently down the coast and therefore 100k away from my files and my PhD thesis so I was unable to quote the date or the full details of Shaw's comment. |
Are you saying that you wrote a thesis on racism at Collingwood therefore you are Dr Pie and that you have in your files newspaper quotes of Tony Shaw from 1991? You should apply to go on Hard Quiz. |
No, I wrote a thesis on transformation of the VFL to the AFL between 1975 and 1996. Racism was one of many issues covered although the major emphasis was on professionalisation and commercialisation. |
Hi Doc, that thesis sounds very interesting, can you advise if its publicly available? Would love to read it |
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5 from the wing on debut
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As would I.
It seems to me that they were better at being commercial than professional.
I really don’t expect any more though from a group of company directors that instead call themselves commissioners. |
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Cruisinwithdids
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| Piesnchess wrote: | | Cruisinwithdids wrote: | | Piesnchess wrote: | | Gerry Cooper wrote: | | As an aside, I notice the cakewalk is still in our song's lyrics. |
I dont get your point bout timing, last week none of us knew what was in that report,neither did our players,men and women, trainers etc. Then Robbo, who has wanted to destroy Collingwood for years, leaked it, as to whom gave it too him, thats another issue. The report came out, the current players, trainers etc, read it and took it upon themselves to act upon it, hence the apology letter, yesterday, and tho i was initially against it, due to perhaps litigation, now i can see it was a heartfelt action on their behalf, to right the wrongs of the past. For H to just dismiss it out our hand,thnk its a stunt, is an insult to our current players who obviously had the best of intentions and sincerity in their action. And i see no issue with our indigenous players signing it, they did it on their own free will, to say they themselves are willing to move on, and not dwell in the past, to extend a hand to H, and say, we are all sorry for the hurt u endured, we are all Collingwood, the only club who has had the guts and fortitude to conduct such an investigation, internally, by an independent group. Let us see what the other Clubs do now, they do not come to this with clean hands, rest assured of that. |
Sorry but it’s not ‘guts’ that has forced this report. It’s legal action brought on by the ignorance and stupidity of MCGuire and Co who have allowed the club to be unaccountable on all levels, as he is himself. Every sexist and racist comment MCGuire has made he has silenced his own organisation (other than Lamumba) and put his organisation’s energy into publicly defending him for the indefensible. McGuire is ignorant, social uneducated. Basically a narcissistic fool. It’s a boys club, topped off by his decade long coaching failure mate. The moment he is gone the club can start to heal. The bloke is toxic. |
IN 1999 the so called "toxic" McGuire basically saved the Club from extinction and insolvency, when he took over as President, he revambed a tired and ageing Board, streamlined the Club, and got us major sponsors and we got back into the black, in debit, largely because of him we still have a Collingwood F C. He deserves credit for that, notwithstanding recent history, which i have no doubt he regrets, such as his foolish comment on Goodes, he has his faults, and is resigning at seasons end, but he did work his butt off to save our Club, all those years ago.  |
It’s not ‘recent’ comments - it has been going on for decades! He helped the club financially and if he shut his mouth and worked in the background that would have been ideal. If sporting organisations continue to put ignorant, uneducated narcissists at the head of their business, they will fail. I’m going to say what everyone has avoided saying when ever MCGuire made one if his many ‘gaffes’. McGuire is just incredibly dumb. |
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Piesnchess
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^ Many of our so called "Leaders" in Canberra, are far more dumber and incendarary with their racist stupid comments over the yrs, than anything eddie has said,and they have REAL power, eddie only heads a football club. Im not excusing his gaffes, im sure he regrets his Goodes remarks, very much so, and ieddie may be a lot of thiings, but hes not a racist, i have no doubt about that.
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Lazza
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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| Gerry Cooper wrote: | | It’s not ‘recent’ comments - it has been going on for decades! He helped the club financially and if he shut his mouth and worked in the background that would have been ideal. If sporting organisations continue to put ignorant, uneducated narcissists at the head of their business, they will fail. I’m going to say what everyone has avoided saying when ever MCGuire made one if his many ‘gaffes’. McGuire is just incredibly dumb. |
Given the choice between having Collingwood footy club with a so called “dumb” President or not having Collingwood footy club at all is a no brainer for me. I have always thought that you newbies didn’t realise how close we were to merging or even extinction before Eddie saved the club. So no one is perfect and we all make errors of judgement or well intentioned mistakes but to rewrite history minimising Eddie’s input is malicious and vindictive to say the least. It is either oldies having short memories or newbies being ignorant. I want Eddie to be given a deserving farewell and a smooth transition to a future administration. Those getting sucked in by the eternally Collingwood hating AFL and it’s lackie journos are totally unaware of the Modus operandi behind these institutions who only want Collingwood’s money/crowd generating power and couldn’t care less about other issues affecting the club. That is why the AFL is eternally detested, hated and untrusted by some fans like me.
To be aware of this is the smart thing to do instead of doing an ostrich behaviour and denying the obvious that Collingwood has had to cope with for years. Older posters like Piesnchess will know exactly what I mean because we have experienced this crap before. Better to be prepared as a realist rather that be caught unawares and suffer the drastic consequences.
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Piesnchess
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| Lazza wrote: | | Gerry Cooper wrote: | | It’s not ‘recent’ comments - it has been going on for decades! He helped the club financially and if he shut his mouth and worked in the background that would have been ideal. If sporting organisations continue to put ignorant, uneducated narcissists at the head of their business, they will fail. I’m going to say what everyone has avoided saying when ever MCGuire made one if his many ‘gaffes’. McGuire is just incredibly dumb. |
Given the choice between having Collingwood footy club with a so called “dumb” President or not having Collingwood footy club at all is a no brainer for me. I have always thought that you newbies didn’t realise how close we were to merging or even extinction before Eddie saved the club. So no one is perfect and we all make errors of judgement or well intentioned mistakes but to rewrite history minimising Eddie’s input is malicious and vindictive to say the least. It is either oldies having short memories or newbies being ignorant. I want Eddie to be given a deserving farewell and a smooth transition to a future administration. Those getting sucked in by the eternally Collingwood hating AFL and it’s lackie journos are totally unaware of the Modus operandi behind these institutions who only want Collingwood’s money/crowd generating power and couldn’t care less about other issues affecting the club. That is why the AFL is eternally detested, hated and untrusted by some fans like me.
To be aware of this is the smart thing to do instead of doing an ostrich behaviour and denying the obvious that Collingwood has had to cope with for years. Older posters like Piesnchess will know exactly what I mean because we have experienced this crap before. Better to be prepared as a realist rather that be caught unawares and suffer the drastic consequences. |
Well said Lazza, you said it all mate, my thoughts exactly, spot on.! 
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Cruisinwithdids
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| Lazza wrote: | | Gerry Cooper wrote: | | It’s not ‘recent’ comments - it has been going on for decades! He helped the club financially and if he shut his mouth and worked in the background that would have been ideal. If sporting organisations continue to put ignorant, uneducated narcissists at the head of their business, they will fail. I’m going to say what everyone has avoided saying when ever MCGuire made one if his many ‘gaffes’. McGuire is just incredibly dumb. |
Given the choice between having Collingwood footy club with a so called “dumb” President or not having Collingwood footy club at all is a no brainer for me. I have always thought that you newbies didn’t realise how close we were to merging or even extinction before Eddie saved the club. So no one is perfect and we all make errors of judgement or well intentioned mistakes but to rewrite history minimising Eddie’s input is malicious and vindictive to say the least. It is either oldies having short memories or newbies being ignorant. I want Eddie to be given a deserving farewell and a smooth transition to a future administration. Those getting sucked in by the eternally Collingwood hating AFL and it’s lackie journos are totally unaware of the Modus operandi behind these institutions who only want Collingwood’s money/crowd generating power and couldn’t care less about other issues affecting the club. That is why the AFL is eternally detested, hated and untrusted by some fans like me.
To be aware of this is the smart thing to do instead of doing an ostrich behaviour and denying the obvious that Collingwood has had to cope with for years. Older posters like Piesnchess will know exactly what I mean because we have experienced this crap before. Better to be prepared as a realist rather that be caught unawares and suffer the drastic consequences. |
Firstly, you are taking your high ground of ‘I’ve been round longer than you’, so know more than you do’ is an assumption, based on an entitled attitude that adds to the problem. You know nothing about how long I’ve been following the club, beside the fact of it being irrelevant to the argument and none of your business. you are not entitled to an opinion on this site more than anyone else is. McGuire helped Collingwood financially, so not all he has done is bad. What he has since done are his constant mistakes, denial and spin that has damaged the club. That’s my opinion, and you are fully entitled to yours. Even if you were a ‘newbie’ |
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slangman
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Eddie has done more good for Collingwood than any of us have or will ever do.
He’s not perfect and has definitely made some errors. Although I agree that it was time for him make way for another president, his contribution to Collingwood should never be underestimated or forgotten.
The glass half full brigade can easily concentrate on his errors as they were in the public eye for everyone to see. Thats easy to do.
But if anyone dug a bit deeper than his gaffes, they would uncover the wonderful work that he has done for not only Collingwood, but for other clubs, the AFL as a competition and most importantly, to underprivileged people of all persuasions. All behind the scenes and without adulation or fanfare.
IMHO, Eddie has done more for others than others have done for him.
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| Cruisinwithdids wrote: | | Piesnchess wrote: | | Cruisinwithdids wrote: | | Piesnchess wrote: | | Gerry Cooper wrote: | | As an aside, I notice the cakewalk is still in our song's lyrics. |
I dont get your point bout timing, last week none of us knew what was in that report,neither did our players,men and women, trainers etc. Then Robbo, who has wanted to destroy Collingwood for years, leaked it, as to whom gave it too him, thats another issue. The report came out, the current players, trainers etc, read it and took it upon themselves to act upon it, hence the apology letter, yesterday, and tho i was initially against it, due to perhaps litigation, now i can see it was a heartfelt action on their behalf, to right the wrongs of the past. For H to just dismiss it out our hand,thnk its a stunt, is an insult to our current players who obviously had the best of intentions and sincerity in their action. And i see no issue with our indigenous players signing it, they did it on their own free will, to say they themselves are willing to move on, and not dwell in the past, to extend a hand to H, and say, we are all sorry for the hurt u endured, we are all Collingwood, the only club who has had the guts and fortitude to conduct such an investigation, internally, by an independent group. Let us see what the other Clubs do now, they do not come to this with clean hands, rest assured of that. |
Sorry but it’s not ‘guts’ that has forced this report. It’s legal action brought on by the ignorance and stupidity of MCGuire and Co who have allowed the club to be unaccountable on all levels, as he is himself. Every sexist and racist comment MCGuire has made he has silenced his own organisation (other than Lamumba) and put his organisation’s energy into publicly defending him for the indefensible. McGuire is ignorant, social uneducated. Basically a narcissistic fool. It’s a boys club, topped off by his decade long coaching failure mate. The moment he is gone the club can start to heal. The bloke is toxic. |
IN 1999 the so called "toxic" McGuire basically saved the Club from extinction and insolvency, when he took over as President, he revambed a tired and ageing Board, streamlined the Club, and got us major sponsors and we got back into the black, in debit, largely because of him we still have a Collingwood F C. He deserves credit for that, notwithstanding recent history, which i have no doubt he regrets, such as his foolish comment on Goodes, he has his faults, and is resigning at seasons end, but he did work his butt off to save our Club, all those years ago. |
It’s not ‘recent’ comments - it has been going on for decades! He helped the club financially and if he shut his mouth and worked in the background that would have been ideal. If sporting organisations continue to put ignorant, uneducated narcissists at the head of their business, they will fail. I’m going to say what everyone has avoided saying when ever MCGuire made one if his many ‘gaffes’. McGuire is just incredibly dumb. |
If you genuinely believe McGuire to be 'dumb' then you've definitely proved it to be true of one of you. |
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MatthewBoydFanClub
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| slangman wrote: | Eddie has done more good for Collingwood than any of us have or will ever do.
He’s not perfect and has definitely made some errors. Although I agree that it was time for him make way for another president, his contribution to Collingwood should never be underestimated or forgotten.
The glass half full brigade can easily concentrate on his errors as they were in the public eye for everyone to see. Thats easy to do.
But if anyone dug a bit deeper than his gaffes, they would uncover the wonderful work that he has done for not only Collingwood, but for other clubs, the AFL as a competition and most importantly, to underprivileged people of all persuasions. All behind the scenes and without adulation or fanfare.
IMHO, Eddie has done more for others than others have done for him. |
Good post. The higher up in life you perform the more people want to bring you down. |
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BazBoy
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If this guy Hertier Lumumba was so committed to his ancestral race why did he start with an Anglisised name Harry O’Brien
Was there a motive for instant acceptance
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David 
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 He could explain it to you in plain English for the next 100 years and you still wouldn’t get it.
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Cruisinwithdids
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| Lamumba adopted his Anglisised name at the age of 9. |
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