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inxs88
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| September Zeros wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | | melliot wrote: | Meh.
I think it was average at best. But probably lower than I hoped. If Cloke = 76. Then most our remaining list = an average pick 60. Which is a blight on our list management team.
I think our list management stratagy is lost.
I think our list has gone backwards in 2017. I think we'll be around the 8 wins again. Only hope will be that injuries are significantly reduced and some of our existing low pick blossom. |
But Hine our list manager is a genius.
I have read that for years and years and years. |
Tbh I havn't read it anywhere except in your posts.
I give the trade period a pass at 6.5 - 7 / 10
We came to the table with very little to play with and came out ever so slightly ahead.
A win is a win even if it won't turn us into a premiership team it's a step in the right direction.
Some of you guys really need to find some happiness in life. |
We have a lot of "glass half empty fans" on this site (not yourself). Picture this scenario 18 months ago and ask yourself if you would take the following:
Pies decide to recruit from other clubs:
* Varcoe
* Crisp
* Greenwood
* Treloar
* Aish
* Howe
* Hoskin Elliott
Pies draft in:
* Moore
* DeGoey
* Maynard
* Ben Crocker
* Tom Phillips
Pies take chance on a Yank:
* Mason Cox
Pies take speculative chances on:
* Josh Smith
* Rupert Wills
Pies can welcome back in "virtual new recruits":
* Matt Scharenberg
* Tim Broomhead
* Jamie Elliott
* Tom Langdon
* Lachlan Keefe
* Josh Thomas
Pies secure Father/Sons:
* Josh Daicos
* Callum Brown
Pies shall secure good 2016 Draft picks:
* pick 28
* pick 44
So sorry sacks, happy the f.ck up! 
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mooretreloar
Joined: 21 Sep 2016
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| inxs88 wrote: | | September Zeros wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | | melliot wrote: | Meh.
I think it was average at best. But probably lower than I hoped. If Cloke = 76. Then most our remaining list = an average pick 60. Which is a blight on our list management team.
I think our list management stratagy is lost.
I think our list has gone backwards in 2017. I think we'll be around the 8 wins again. Only hope will be that injuries are significantly reduced and some of our existing low pick blossom. |
But Hine our list manager is a genius.
I have read that for years and years and years. |
Tbh I havn't read it anywhere except in your posts.
I give the trade period a pass at 6.5 - 7 / 10
We came to the table with very little to play with and came out ever so slightly ahead.
A win is a win even if it won't turn us into a premiership team it's a step in the right direction.
Some of you guys really need to find some happiness in life. |
We have a lot of "glass half empty fans" on this site (not yourself). Picture this scenario 18 months ago and ask yourself if you would take the following:
Pies decide to recruit from other clubs:
* Varcoe
* Crisp
* Greenwood
* Treloar
* Aish
* Howe
* Hoskin Elliott
Pies draft in:
* Moore
* DeGoey
* Maynard
* Ben Crocker
* Tom Phillips
Pies take chance on a Yank:
* Mason Cox
Pies take speculative chances on:
* Josh Smith
* Rupert Wills
Pies can welcome back in "virtual new recruits":
* Matt Scharenberg
* Tim Broomhead
* Jamie Elliott
* Tom Langdon
* Lachlan Keefe
* Josh Thomas
Pies secure Father/Sons:
* Josh Daicos
* Callum Brown
Pies shall secure good 2016 Draft picks:
* pick 28
* pick 44
So sorry sacks, happy the f.ck up! |
Great post inxs88. The list is in great shape, we just need a bit of luck to have the best of it available for the majority of the season and if this happens we will be there when the whips are cracking in season 2017. |
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Presti35 
Dick Lee for Legend Status
Joined: 05 Oct 2001
Location: London, England
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| DT wrote: | | The author's name has clearly been misspelt ... |
Fkn oath.
Even Melbourne. They now have no pick until 47.
Brought in 30 year old Jordan Lewis and its somehow seen as some heroic move. But when we bring in 31 year old Wells and its laughed at.
They also got Michael Hibberd (27, was banned for 12 months) and Pat McKenna (21, no AFL games played).
He gave them an A-.
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Piesnchess
piesnchess
Joined: 09 Jun 2008
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| mooretreloar wrote: | | inxs88 wrote: | | September Zeros wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | | melliot wrote: | Meh.
I think it was average at best. But probably lower than I hoped. If Cloke = 76. Then most our remaining list = an average pick 60. Which is a blight on our list management team.
I think our list management stratagy is lost.
I think our list has gone backwards in 2017. I think we'll be around the 8 wins again. Only hope will be that injuries are significantly reduced and some of our existing low pick blossom. |
But Hine our list manager is a genius.
I have read that for years and years and years. |
Tbh I havn't read it anywhere except in your posts.
I give the trade period a pass at 6.5 - 7 / 10
We came to the table with very little to play with and came out ever so slightly ahead.
A win is a win even if it won't turn us into a premiership team it's a step in the right direction.
Some of you guys really need to find some happiness in life. |
We have a lot of "glass half empty fans" on this site (not yourself). Picture this scenario 18 months ago and ask yourself if you would take the following:
Pies decide to recruit from other clubs:
* Varcoe
* Crisp
* Greenwood
* Treloar
* Aish
* Howe
* Hoskin Elliott
Pies draft in:
* Moore
* DeGoey
* Maynard
* Ben Crocker
* Tom Phillips
Pies take chance on a Yank:
* Mason Cox
Pies take speculative chances on:
* Josh Smith
* Rupert Wills
Pies can welcome back in "virtual new recruits":
* Matt Scharenberg
* Tim Broomhead
* Jamie Elliott
* Tom Langdon
* Lachlan Keefe
* Josh Thomas
Pies secure Father/Sons:
* Josh Daicos
* Callum Brown
Pies shall secure good 2016 Draft picks:
* pick 28
* pick 44
So sorry sacks, happy the f.ck up! |
Great post inxs88. The list is in great shape, we just need a bit of luck to have the best of it available for the majority of the season and if this happens we will be there when the whips are cracking in season 2017. |
Great post yes, the sackers can crawl back under there rocks now, wallowing in bile and self pity.  
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thompsoc
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| inxs88 wrote: | | September Zeros wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | | melliot wrote: | Meh.
I think it was average at best. But probably lower than I hoped. If Cloke = 76. Then most our remaining list = an average pick 60. Which is a blight on our list management team.
I think our list management stratagy is lost.
I think our list has gone backwards in 2017. I think we'll be around the 8 wins again. Only hope will be that injuries are significantly reduced and some of our existing low pick blossom. |
But Hine our list manager is a genius.
I have read that for years and years and years. |
Tbh I havn't read it anywhere except in your posts.
I give the trade period a pass at 6.5 - 7 / 10
We came to the table with very little to play with and came out ever so slightly ahead.
A win is a win even if it won't turn us into a premiership team it's a step in the right direction.
Some of you guys really need to find some happiness in life. |
We have a lot of "glass half empty fans" on this site (not yourself). Picture this scenario 18 months ago and ask yourself if you would take the following:
Pies decide to recruit from other clubs:
* Varcoe
* Crisp
* Greenwood
* Treloar
* Aish
* Howe
* Hoskin Elliott
Pies draft in:
* Moore
* DeGoey
* Maynard
* Ben Crocker
* Tom Phillips
Pies take chance on a Yank:
* Mason Cox
Pies take speculative chances on:
* Josh Smith
* Rupert Wills
Pies can welcome back in "virtual new recruits":
* Matt Scharenberg
* Tim Broomhead
* Jamie Elliott
* Tom Langdon
* Lachlan Keefe
* Josh Thomas
Pies secure Father/Sons:
* Josh Daicos
* Callum Brown
Pies shall secure good 2016 Draft picks:
* pick 28
* pick 44
So sorry sacks, happy the f.ck up! |
Here we go
Which players did well or looked exciting in 2016 from your list?
Moore and Treloar and no one else.
This is what I get time and time again.
Daicos and Brown have done nothing
Pick 28 and 44 aren't great picks
Sick to death of the over rating of our players
and the criticism if you question how good the list is.
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woftam 
I used to be undecided, but now I'm not so sure.
Joined: 28 Jul 2008
Location: Carum Downs, Vic
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| thompsoc wrote: | | melliot wrote: | Meh.
I think it was average at best. But probably lower than I hoped. If Cloke = 76. Then most our remaining list = an average pick 60. Which is a blight on our list management team.
I think our list management stratagy is lost.
I think our list has gone backwards in 2017. I think we'll be around the 8 wins again. Only hope will be that injuries are significantly reduced and some of our existing low pick blossom. |
But Hine our list manager is a genius.
I have read that for years and years and years. |
Perhaps the rest of us are finally catching on.  |
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mooretreloar
Joined: 21 Sep 2016
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| Presti35 wrote: | | DT wrote: | | The author's name has clearly been misspelt ... |
Fkn oath.
Even Melbourne. They now have no pick until 47.
Brought in 30 year old Jordan Lewis and its somehow seen as some heroic move. But when we bring in 31 year old Wells and its laughed at.
They also got Michael Hibberd (27, was banned for 12 months) and Pat McKenna (21, no AFL games played).
He gave them an A-. |
Agree, thought it was high, but not as clearly out of whack as some of the other ratings. B or B+ a more accurate rating, as I don't think Lewis has a lot of good footy left in him. |
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thompsoc
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| woftam wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | | melliot wrote: | Meh.
I think it was average at best. But probably lower than I hoped. If Cloke = 76. Then most our remaining list = an average pick 60. Which is a blight on our list management team.
I think our list management stratagy is lost.
I think our list has gone backwards in 2017. I think we'll be around the 8 wins again. Only hope will be that injuries are significantly reduced and some of our existing low pick blossom. |
But Hine our list manager is a genius.
I have read that for years and years and years. |
Perhaps the rest of us are finally catching on. |
The trouble with Hine is that he has made some good calls.
See the Pendles and Beams pick.
Two thirds of our 2010 team were Hine picks and one third were from Judkins.
But since 2008 not with standing Ball and Jolly.
There has been slim pickings from Hine.
He has been reasonable but nothing outstanding.
Being average doesn't win you a flag.
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Pies4shaw 
pies4shaw
Joined: 08 Oct 2007
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| The Club managed to do all the deals it wanted to do. It moved on the players it wanted to move on and brought in each of the players it had seriously targeted. The team working on those transactions has done another professional job and should be congratulated. |
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inxs88
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
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| thompsoc wrote: | | woftam wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | | melliot wrote: | Meh.
I think it was average at best. But probably lower than I hoped. If Cloke = 76. Then most our remaining list = an average pick 60. Which is a blight on our list management team.
I think our list management stratagy is lost.
I think our list has gone backwards in 2017. I think we'll be around the 8 wins again. Only hope will be that injuries are significantly reduced and some of our existing low pick blossom. |
But Hine our list manager is a genius.
I have read that for years and years and years. |
Perhaps the rest of us are finally catching on. |
The trouble with Hine is that he has made some good calls.
See the Pendles and Beams pick.
Two thirds of our 2010 team were Hine picks and one third were from Judkins.
But since 2008 not with standing Ball and Jolly.
There has been slim pickings from Hine.
He has been reasonable but nothing outstanding.
Being average doesn't win you a flag. |
I always love your passion but recruiters sometimes are asked to turn "water into wine". Even Bambi the great "Stephen Wells" has been copping it from the Cattery faithful the last few years for apparently missing the mark.
If I look at Hine since 2008 period and what he has had high up to work with in draft picks:
2009: no first and second (Ball & Jolly year): WIN
2010: belated first round pick 25 after Gold Coast concessions and took Andrew Krakouer, Ceglar and partially Chris Tarrant. Did miss Jack Darling at pick 26: FAIL
2011: another belated pick 25 offset for Jamie Elliott, Witts and Marty Clarke: WIN
2012:
* Pick 18 used on Brodie Grundy (Wellingham trade): WIN
* Pick 19 used on Ben Kennedy: FAIL (albeit helped us get Howe 3 yrs later)
* Pick 20 used on Tim Broomhead
* Pick 38 used on J. Ramsay
(both coming from the Chris Dawes trade): despite injuries to Broomhead & Ramsay it is still a WIN
2013:
* Pick 6 used on Matt Scharenberg (Daisy Thomas trade etc..): BLOODY DRAW
* pick 10 used on Nathan Freeman: FAIL
2014:
* Pick 5 used on Jordan DeGoey: TOO EARLY
* pick 9 used on Darcy Moore (father/son): WIN
2015 & 2016
* 2 first rounders: Adam Treloar: WIN WIN WIN
Summary:
Add in the backended and speculative picks such as Langdon, Crocker, Mason Cox etc. I think Hine has done a good job.
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Raw Hammer
Joined: 11 Sep 2008
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Thompsoc...you're just a sad f***.
Just like most of this ageing clueless forum.
Seriously. F*** me.
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thompsoc
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| Raw Hammer wrote: | Thompsoc...you're just a sad f***.
Just like most of this ageing clueless forum.
Seriously. F*** me. |
If you don't like this clueless forum...leave!
and take your pearls of wisdom...cough ...cough ...with you.
Next!!!!!
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neil 
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
Location: Queensland
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| thompsoc wrote: |
The trouble with Hine is that he has made some good calls.
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This explains you completely complaining about things others celebrate
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think positive 
Side By Side
Joined: 30 Jun 2005
Location: somewhere
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | The Club managed to do all the deals it wanted to do. It moved on the players it wanted to move on and brought in each of the players it had seriously targeted. The team working on those transactions has done another professional job and should be congratulated. |
Great post.
But were they on the right track! I guess only time will tell!
Meanwhile my hubby is telling me all about the radio talkback shows, blah blah blah we got £$%$ed over chose badly and now bucks has eight not ten to prove himself! Which has me yelling back next time your $£$%^%%$ team, and I use the your lighly, is on its knees hopefully my team is smart enough to let you $£$%^%%$ die. You £$%$ed us on Moore, and your still collecting the equalisation fund paid by us, did you thank us for your $£$%^%%$ premiership?
It's my team, leave the bagging to me! And right now I really have no idea how I feel about that team, the coach, our chances! I'm pinning the positive thoughts on the effort in the Bulldogs/ Hawks games, and the knowledge that even the AFL acknowledge the umps are giving them more than a fair run. Strangely that gives me a peace I've never got re the Harmes thing!
It's going to be a long long long preseason, worse than waiting to find out who Negan swings the barbed wire bat at.
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thompsoc
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| neil wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: |
The trouble with Hine is that he has made some good calls.
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This explains you completely complaining about things others celebrate |
No Neil.
It means that he is not a dud.
But the question is ....is he better than average?
And he certainly isn't a genius.
As plenty have said.
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