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David 
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I do support transparency in such matters, but isn't this kind of standard practice with world leaders? Do we know everything that Trump and Morrison talk about when they get together, for instance? What about with the Saudis? I understand that there are publicly accessible phone and press conference transcripts, but I expect a lot more goes on behind closed doors.
(Yes, I know I shouldn't be comparing our PM to Putin – Vlad doesn't deserve that.)
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Wokko 
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3.14159 
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| David wrote: | I think the sad thing is that we don't need to play "who's the bigger rapist" – we have plenty of evidence available to suggest that Trump and Clinton are both serial sexual abusers. Kind of makes you wonder about the power imbalances of a society in which rapists can be president but, to my knowledge, no rape victim ever has been.
https://www.newsweek.com/how-many-presidents-have-been-accused-sexual-assault-692766 |
I think the sad thing is trying to compare Trumps decades of sexual assault accusations, hush money payments porn actress's, pussy-grabbing, "I moved on that married woman like a bitch! "When you're a celebrity you can get away anything", accusations rape (25 lawsuits... and counting), of sleazing on to Miss Universe contestants while they are getting changed and if you believe British Intelligence being caught on tape in a Russian hotel room doing unspeakable acts with Russian hookers (set up by Putin, explains a lot btw) with Clintons indiscrestions (4, two of them very dubious, aka Brietbardt!) is a special kind of self-delusion!
an even sadder thing is some God fearing |
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David
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So only 2 credible sexual assault allegations, you say (I won’t try to guess which two women you think are lying). Guess we don’t need to worry about him!
No partisan preferences here at all, by any chance?
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3.14159
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| David wrote: | I do support transparency in such matters, but isn't this kind of standard practice with world leaders? Do we know everything that Trump and Morrison talk about when they get together, for instance? What about with the Saudis? I understand that there are publicly accessible phone and press conference transcripts, but I expect a lot more goes on behind closed doors.
(Yes, I know I shouldn't be comparing our PM to Putin – Vlad doesn't deserve that.) |
It's not do we know everything they talked about, it's do we know anything? That includes everyone else in the world, the State Department, the DoJ, US Intelligence Agencies* the US people, the World!
The answer is a resounding NO!
5 Meetings, one-on-one and NOBODY knows what they talked about!
No annoucments for coming deals or new levels detante and co-operation between the 2 countries? just more Russia should be readmited to the G7 we should remove Russian Sanctions. He told me they didn't hack the US election and I believe him! Why would Russia hack the US elections?..... I meant why wouldn't they hack the elections...Fake News!"
Don't you find that alarming?
*They may have not been asleep at the wheel and managed to plant a bug, ...hopefully. |
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David
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I agree that it seems a bit questionable, but I’m not particularly alarmed because I just don’t lose any sleep about the idea of Trump cosying up to Putin behind the scenes. I feel like one has to believe in a highly idealised fantasy version of the US and global politics to get upset about these scenarios.
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| David wrote: | So only 2 credible sexual assault allegations, you say (I won’t try to guess which two women you think are lying). Guess we don’t need to worry about him!
No partisan preferences here at all, by any chance? |
I'm not going to get into slut-shaming but I will say one of the complainants was urged to come forward by that paragon of the Truth Brietbart and other Ken Star said had lied repeatedly to the Congressional hearing and her testimony deserved to be not be continued with.
Partisan? We're all partisan! |
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3.14159
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| David wrote: | | I agree that it seems a bit questionable, but I’m not particularly alarmed because I just don’t lose any sleep about the idea of Trump cosying up to Putin behind the scenes. I feel like one has to believe in a highly idealised fantasy version of the US and global politics to get upset about these scenarios. |
Does one?
Well this One has no "idealised fantasy" regarding World politics but that doesn't stop one from wanting to make the shyte show world we now inhabit a little less corrupt, lot more transparent and the leaders (plural) ham-strung by something as small and insignificant as the "Rule of Law"...aka, in this case, The United States Constitution!
I hope I don't get as jaded and cynical about the world when I reach your age! |
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stui magpie 
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| 3.14159 wrote: | | David wrote: | | I agree that it seems a bit questionable, but I’m not particularly alarmed because I just don’t lose any sleep about the idea of Trump cosying up to Putin behind the scenes. I feel like one has to believe in a highly idealised fantasy version of the US and global politics to get upset about these scenarios. |
Does one?
Well this One has no "idealised fantasy" regarding World politics but that doesn't stop one from wanting to make the shyte show world we now inhabit a little less corrupt, lot more transparent and the leaders (plural) ham-strung by something as small and insignificant as the "Rule of Law"...aka, in this case, The United States Constitution!
I hope I don't get as jaded and cynical about the world when I reach your age! |
  
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David
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| 3.14159 wrote: | | David wrote: | | I agree that it seems a bit questionable, but I’m not particularly alarmed because I just don’t lose any sleep about the idea of Trump cosying up to Putin behind the scenes. I feel like one has to believe in a highly idealised fantasy version of the US and global politics to get upset about these scenarios. |
Does one?
Well this One has no "idealised fantasy" regarding World politics but that doesn't stop one from wanting to make the shyte show world we now inhabit a little less corrupt, lot more transparent and the leaders (plural) ham-strung by something as small and insignificant as the "Rule of Law"...aka, in this case, The United States Constitution!
I hope I don't get as jaded and cynical about the world when I reach your age! |
I don’t get how anyone can not be. 100,000 people have died in Yemen (many of them starved to death) in four years, largely as a result of blockades and bombings by the Saudi government, whose campaign is receiving funding and military support from the Trump administration and the Australian government, among others. And why is this happening? Because of arcane factional alliances between countries that have nothing to do with any lofty principle or cause but everything to do with money and power and oil.
If you can tear yourself away from CNN or MSNBC’s petty obsession of the day for just 20 seconds, google some images of starving, emaciated Yemeni babies – or read up on Chinese concentration camps in Xinjiang (over a million inmates at last count), about which our government and opposition can only offer the most feeble expression of concern lest we upset the people holding the purse strings to our economy – and then tell me I’m just being jaded and cynical for thinking the world, as run by its current array of superpowers, is a deeply corrupt and amoral place. And it’s little coincidence that one of the few people who ever managed to land a hit on these brutal power structures is right now wasting away in a UK maximum security prison.
So no, in summary, I honestly couldn’t give less of a shit about the US constitution or which repressive power is now in their good books or whether the CIA’s new Cold War strategy isn’t going to plan. Trump and Putin can go suck each other for all I care. Who knows, it might even make the world a better place.
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David
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Even some Guardian writers have their doubts:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/13/trump-impeachment-hearings-panel-verdict
| Jessa Crispin wrote: | I still find it hard to feel genuinely incensed by what I heard from the congresspeople in the hearing today. Part of the reason is that the hearings – and the broader impeachment debate – presents Trump’s attempt to use another sovereign nation as a pawn as a radical break from American diplomacy. But is it really?
Our history of destablizing South America through supporting coups and political assassination reverberates as one nation after another is embroiled in regime change, voting irregularities, and massive protests. Our unquestioned ally Israel is pounding the territory it occupies with air raids. As the hearing happens, Turkish president Erdogan, who has overseen war crimes in Syria, is sitting in the White House on official business. We are still dealing with Saudi Arabia, even after the assassination of a journalist and its war on Yemen.
So for all the elevated talk by Democrats about how “terrible” Trump’s manipulations of Ukraine have been, for all the hysterical Republicans asking things along the lines of, “Don’t you agree it should be illegal to hurt Daddy Trump’s feelings?”, wouldn’t it be wonderful if every time someone – anyone – died overseas for the “strategic interests” of the United States, one of these hearings was called? I would happily watch all of them, for any administration. |
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^There is no legal or even tactical 'doubt' in what she wrote at all. She's just deflated at the thought of the hypocrisy and faux moral outrage given the endless moral contradictions we have to suffer. That's fair enough, yet there she is covering it because we're all trapped in the received parameters. That's why irony and whiskey were invented.
In any case, isn't that something you would normally deem 'whataboutery'?
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David
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I oppose whataboutery if it's a way of sidestepping or undermining discussion about a real problem, but I do think it's legitimate to point out when political trivialities are hogging the headlines and being allowed to dwarf much more urgent issues. I guess I just honestly don't care about a lot of this Trump–Putin stuff and think there's a lot of misdirected energy being devoted to it.
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stui magpie
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It's a circus.
Trump will be impeached in the house of reps and found not guilt in the senate.
3.14159, do you have a preference for how to pay that $100?  
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If you can tear yourself away from CNN or MSNBC’s petty obsession of the day for just 20 seconds
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I get my News from a variety of non-Partisan media!
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