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| Pies4shaw wrote: | Dangerfield could have walked and only ever wanted to go to one team. Presumably Adelaide took the deal because it was better than the free agency compensation they were going to get from the AFL. Treloar was in a bidding war and wasn't much fussed, it seems, whether he landed at Collingwood or Richmond. We paid what we had to pay to get him. Whether he is worth it, time will tell. I've never been much excited by him and I'm still not - but I'm willing to act on the assumption that they did it for good reason. Consequently, I'm happy to wait and see if he develops into the player they thought they were getting.
As for Aish, query whether a mid-second-round draft pick was much at all to give up for a player they rated highly in his draft year and still wanted. Whether they should have wanted him is a whole different question - and one it is way too early to answer definitively. |
I believe we also gave up the 2016 second round pick that we got in exchange for the Freeman trade with St. Kilda trade if I'm not mistaken so we gave up pick 26 and Nathan Freeman to get him.
I will be shocked if Aish doesn't turn out to be better than the two players that became of that trade. Will Freeman ever get back on the park? in the meantime, that pick 26 ended up being pick 31 after compensation picks and Nth Melbourne (who got it from Brisbane) used it to draft Ryan Clarke. He hasn't cracked it for a game just yet.
No matter what you think of Aish, he has contributed more to the team so far than Freeman and Clarke would have.
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| jackcass wrote: | | Redlight wrote: | Forget Aish, does anyone here think that Treloar isn't worth two first-round picks?
I'd do that deal again in a heartbeat, he shows all the signs of being our next truly elite player. |
Think we paid market value for both Treloar and Aish. Time will tell if the market set the price right. |
That is really funny, by any current objective measure we paid overs and it may be way overs.
But nothing is definitive yet.
Give it 2 or so years.
My problem with Treloar is he is being heavily tagged as he is one of the few Collingwood players who can break lines.
He is not looking elite with this.
He is looking good but not elite!
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| piedys wrote: | | jackcass wrote: | | Redlight wrote: | Forget Aish, does anyone here think that Treloar isn't worth two first-round picks?
I'd do that deal again in a heartbeat, he shows all the signs of being our next truly elite player. |
Think we paid market value for both Treloar and Aish. Time will tell if the market set the price right. |
The only problem lads, is the 2016 perception of "market value".
So let's recap back to the very start of that trade period: Geelong secure Dangerfield for only one first round pick, not two, from the Cows.
Even allowing for his age, and how many more seasons he may or may not produce, they still got one of the best midfielders in the country for one first round pick. Therefore the market rate has thus been set.
This leaves Geelong with enough pick currency to secure both Henderson and Smith with later round selections, from Carlton and GCS.
So by that adjusted market value, how does Treloar suddenly become more expensive than Dangerfield, in terms of what selections we had to part with to secure him?
Both players wanted to come to the club of their choice, yet we had to cough up TWICE to secure a player not yet an A-grader, unlike Dangerfield who is? Thus the perception we in fact "paid overs" for Treloar.
Not sure if Dangerfield's capacity as a free-agent impacted the trading though, you might have to remind me?
And never mind Treloar; how many picks could GWS demand for say Dylan Shiel or Toby Greene now?! Really ugly machinations here. |
Really good post.
The free trade option helped Geelong.
Treloar is not even an A grader yet in my opinion.
A relative small midfielder who we gave up a lot for.
But as usual anything that Hine drags in off the street is an automatic tick.
Even if he sold the house for it.
Treloar may become a champion we will wait and see.
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| thompsoc wrote: | | jackcass wrote: | | Redlight wrote: | Forget Aish, does anyone here think that Treloar isn't worth two first-round picks?
I'd do that deal again in a heartbeat, he shows all the signs of being our next truly elite player. |
Think we paid market value for both Treloar and Aish. Time will tell if the market set the price right. |
That is really funny, by any current objective measure we paid overs and it may be way overs.
But nothing is definitive yet.
Give it 2 or so years.
My problem with Treloar is he is being heavily tagged as he is one of the few Collingwood players who can break lines.
He is not looking elite with this.
He is looking good but not elite! |
Going by Stats this Season.
Treloar was bit Expensive but live up to they Hype
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Why did we even want Aish then?
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| Feel sorry for aish if he reads this board, played more league games than a lot of people on this board. Would not believe you would recruit a player you didn't want |
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| STOKA35 wrote: | | Feel sorry for aish if he reads this board, played more league games than a lot of people on this board. Would not believe you would recruit a player you didn't want |
That is the Bit that makes no sense
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| RudeBoy wrote: | | Considering he's a 3rd year player, I have seen nothing to suggest he can play senior footy. I honestly can't remember a player looking so out of his depth. |
Come on, really? |
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| Tanuki wrote: | | RudeBoy wrote: | | Considering he's a 3rd year player, I have seen nothing to suggest he can play senior footy. I honestly can't remember a player looking so out of his depth. |
Come on, really? |
Yes, Rudeboy is not a sad saack.
So that is interesting what he said.
I am with Rudeboy here but my brother who is big time Sad Saack and posts on Hotrods thinks he is going to be a very good player.
So confusion reigns but it won't in a year or so.
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Aish will be a gun. He's actually got skills and temperament. It will come.
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HAL
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| That is only what you think. |
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Cam
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No HAL baby, it's what I believe...
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Dave The Man
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| Cam wrote: | | Aish will be a gun. He's actually got skills and temperament. It will come. |
Just has to learn to win more of his own ball
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| Cam wrote: | | No HAL baby, it's what I believe... |
Great. I haven't heard anything like that before. |
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