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Piesnchess
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Joined: 09 Jun 2008
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| thompsoc wrote: | | jackcass wrote: | | Jez07 wrote: | I speak to someone who supports the club through thick and thin who has a nephew playing for the Giants.
He watches Collingwood every week without fail. He also watches and speaks to his nephew.
His conclusion on watching Collingwood is he doesn't see any discernible gameplan. There is no system of play, there is no brand. He said an analogy is it's like recess at school when the kids are kicking everywhere with no purpose.
He then said he watches his nephew. He can see an indentifable game plan and system, when young players come in, they play a role, and when they play NEAFL, the same systems operate there as they do in the seniors.
As a guide, last week he decided to watch the VFL game. He told me that there is also no system of play there, the gameplan is non existent and players are in a state of confusement on what they are to do. He also said during training, the players are grouped in zones. They rarely play on, it is very stop start and it is like circle work in the 80's. |
I speak to a guy who supports the club through thick and thin. None of his kids or relatives play for anyone of note.
He watches porn a lot. He said watching what the umpires do to the CFC bears a close approximation to his other viewing choices.
He also said injuries are killing the club at the moment so you'd expect a team full of inexperienced kids to struggle to hold prescribed structures and deliver the game plan across 4 quarters.
Go figure! |
It is so funny... we trade out a lot of experienced players and get some young kids.
And when we are not winning we blurt out that we have a lot of young kids.
Now isn't that strange as the object of the game is to win. |
OUR kids are the long term future though, we cant look back. 
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thompsoc
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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This could turn out to be the longest rebuild in history
WW2 went for 6 years and we are now at year 5 of the rebuild.
Any sign that enemy Japanese ships have been sunk??
I hear the SS Carltonomo gave us a licking last week!
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Jez07
Joined: 02 May 2016
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Every club has kids.
If you can take off the Rose Coloured glasses, are Collingwood's kids any better than the next club?
Apart from Moore, the cupboard is not that great in terms of elite talent. And when I mean elite talent, I am referring to the Petracca, Hogan, Bontempelli & Heeneys of this world. |
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jackcass 
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
Location: Bendigo
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| Jez07 wrote: | Every club has kids.
If you can take off the Rose Coloured glasses, are Collingwood's kids any better than the next club?
Apart from Moore, the cupboard is not that great in terms of elite talent. And when I mean elite talent, I am referring to the Petracca, Hogan, Bontempelli & Heeneys of this world. |
I actually think it's rude of the Petracca, Hogan, Bontempelli & Heeneys of this world not to keep themselves available until we have our pick in the draft. |
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thompsoc
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| jackcass wrote: | | Jez07 wrote: | Every club has kids.
If you can take off the Rose Coloured glasses, are Collingwood's kids any better than the next club?
Apart from Moore, the cupboard is not that great in terms of elite talent. And when I mean elite talent, I am referring to the Petracca, Hogan, Bontempelli & Heeneys of this world. |
I actually think it's rude of the Petracca, Hogan, Bontempelli & Heeneys of this world not to keep themselves available until we have our pick in the draft. |
I think you have been hanging out with the Queen too long.
Maybe you could sign up Prince Phillip as a collingwood scout.
Couldn't do any worse than the current bunch.
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John Wren 
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
Joined: 15 Jul 2007
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| jackcass wrote: | | Jez07 wrote: | Every club has kids.
If you can take off the Rose Coloured glasses, are Collingwood's kids any better than the next club?
Apart from Moore, the cupboard is not that great in terms of elite talent. And when I mean elite talent, I am referring to the Petracca, Hogan, Bontempelli & Heeneys of this world. |
I actually think it's rude of the Petracca, Hogan, Bontempelli & Heeneys of this world not to keep themselves available until we have our pick in the draft. |
heeney is an exception. we haven't bottomed out since the drafts were uncompromised. we've had to trade into the drafts to get high picks. we haven't even had the luxury of a lofty compensation pick for a free agent. if we look at 2013 onwards as helping to build a future base we can't reasonably expect for those we selected to be at optimum performance for another three or four years. this is allowing for the write off that was 2013 so in reality we're relying on what we netted in 2014 and 2015. we need to go back to the graph i produced a few weeks ago to conduct some semblance of comparison assessment of what we netted vs the other teams. irrespective of this, nothing the club has done is good enough for some so any alternate opinion put forward becomes redundant.
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jackcass
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
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| John Wren wrote: | | jackcass wrote: | | Jez07 wrote: | Every club has kids.
If you can take off the Rose Coloured glasses, are Collingwood's kids any better than the next club?
Apart from Moore, the cupboard is not that great in terms of elite talent. And when I mean elite talent, I am referring to the Petracca, Hogan, Bontempelli & Heeneys of this world. |
I actually think it's rude of the Petracca, Hogan, Bontempelli & Heeneys of this world not to keep themselves available until we have our pick in the draft. |
heeney is an exception. we haven't bottomed out since the drafts were uncompromised. we've had to trade into the drafts to get high picks. we haven't even had the luxury of a lofty compensation pick for a free agent. if we look at 2013 onwards as helping to build a future base we can't reasonably expect for those we selected to be at optimum performance for another three or four years. this is allowing for the write off that was 2013 so in reality we're relying on what we netted in 2014 and 2015. we need to go back to the graph i produced a few weeks ago to conduct some semblance of comparison assessment of what we netted vs the other teams. irrespective of this, nothing the club has done is good enough for some so any alternate opinion put forward becomes redundant. |
Heeney went to Sydney for their 1st round pick because the Dees (I think) bid pick 2 or 3. |
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Jez07
Joined: 02 May 2016
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The 2012/2013 drafts have been virtual write offs based on the picks we had available.
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Grundy - up/down
Kennedy - gone.
Broomhead - up/down
Ramsey - injured
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Scharenberg - injured
Freeman - gone
Langdon - good pick
Marsh - injured/virtually unseen at senior level. |
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Kwah-LeBaire
Joined: 15 Feb 2010
Location: Adelaide
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| Cuthbert Collingwood wrote: | | Great OP Rudeboy, hit the nail on the head with that one. Something I don't get is how the trolls are attacking Bucks for his win/loss ratio when it's pretty similar to both our previous Premiership coaches first 100 games. |
Agreed. On both points.
Sometimes in life you simply have to hold your nerve and wait for the storm to pass. That's obviously Bucks' approach at the moment.
I've never met the guy, saw very little of him play, except on TV and that was mostly highlights, so I won't be getting the Sunday School prize for attendance. The man was a champion player. Is he a potential champion coach?
I don't get inside team meetings, I don't get to hear what he says to players, I don't know about individual relationships. But I do get to see the coach interviews and I have to say that Bucks fills me with confidence every time he speaks. More than that, I WANT to run out and play for him afterwards. If players aren't being motivated by the sheer calm and intelligence of their coach's address, we might have the wrong players. |
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007
Location: Between London and Melbourne
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Carey knows a thing or two about football, and I think he's right when he says that (a) injuries are murdering our defence and costing us cohesion ; (b) the mids are a real disappointment, with a group of young'uns not yet hard enough, perhaps adjusting to life after Swanny ; and (c) that Buckley has not lost the players.
As long as point (c) applies, we will improve. We just have to be loyal and wait.
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007
Location: Between London and Melbourne
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| Jez07 wrote: | The 2012/2013 drafts have been virtual write offs based on the picks we had available.
12'
Grundy - up/down
Kennedy - gone.
Broomhead - up/down
Ramsey - injured
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Scharenberg - injured
Freeman - gone
Langdon - good pick
Marsh - injured/virtually unseen at senior level. |
I take your point, but the post reflects your glass half-empty attitude to everything. "Write off" ?
- Scharenberg now has two knees fixed, so that weak spot in his physiology should not recur once he is back. Many great players have had knees done. He still represents serious upside for us.
- Freeman was initially disappointing, but he was traded for Aish, iirc. Aish is getting a lot of bad press, but I saw enough in the Melbourne game to say that he will probably be a player once his confidence grows.
- Ramsay looks a beauty, to me. Yes, he has done a knee. That is not a write-off, it's a knee. But he will be a part of the next Pies squad that contends.
- Broomhead may not make it, but it is too early to say. Not a write off there, either. He certainly showed signs of real effort last weekend - getting injured because he completely committed himself to try and stop a Carlton mark.
- Grundy was about pick 20, and he's been about what you might expect. No world-beater, but a work in progress. Might make it, might not.
So of all those, only Kennedy is a write off, in my eyes. The rest are not instant champions, but the story is yet to be written. Cripps and Bontempelli would have been nice, so to the extent that we missed them it was a shame, but Scharenberg is still the great hope, for mine.
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Jez07
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| So two out of 8 players look like making it if they get over injuries and you aren't calling it a write off? |
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007
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Read the post again, slowly this time. Put your finger on the letters if it helps. 5 out of 8 might make it, and most are playing for us. Pretty normal for a draft, I'd say. If you consider that a write-off, I am glad you are not my accountant. I can agree that it was not the best investment ever made, but it was no write-off.
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Collingwood Crackerjack
Joined: 28 Jul 2008
Location: Canberra
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Compare Grundy to Fanning, or even Richards, at the same age; he is showing a lot more, enough signs that he could become a beauty. He is still tracking well to be considered a good pick up for pick 20 I'd say
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Darkstranger
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What's this got to do with our defensive coach??
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