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The Boy Who Cried Wolf
Joined: 26 Sep 2013
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| nomadjack wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | Well Leppa got 3 years and Bux got 6 years to prove themselves.
Notice the difference? |
Yep...Leppa lost the players and Bucks hasn't. |
Or the players he lost have left or been traded or are in the process of being traded.
Bucks is still a pretty average coach based on present evidence, as was Leppa and as with Voss. The bottom line is they have all had time to show something, none really have, some have had more time then others to show this - judge it how you will. |
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thompsoc
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| nomadjack wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | Well Leppa got 3 years and Bux got 6 years to prove themselves.
Notice the difference? |
Yep...Leppa lost the players and Bucks hasn't. |
No Leppa had only crap players to begin with.
Bux had and still has some decent players.
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Krakouer Magic
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| BucksIsFutureCoach wrote: | | didick wrote: | | jackcass wrote: | | ^Do people even understand a zone defence and how it works? |
I'm happy to be schooled on this. My point was why did we play differently yesterday to how we played against many other teams where they kicked the ball around at will, coast to coast, without our players laying a hand on them or the ball? Was yesterday the same game plan, or a different one? And if it was different, why don't we use it more often? Or if it was the same, why do we pull off a performance like that rarely, and not against the teams around or below us? |
My guess is that the players were more committed against Hawthorn than they were against Richmond in the second and third quarters. The $64 question is why they show more commitment in one game than another one. Over to you. |
One theory for the inconsistency in zoning vs man on man could be perhaps to conserve energy. If you used the zone in early games versus ordinary teams you could, at least theoretically, get away with a win without expending as much energy. Or get away with a win using more zone to hide the fact players are fatigued from training loads.
Then when you play top 8 sides you might go more accountable with man on man. It might be more taxing so you save it for games you want to really win. Then the week later the team can't back it up because of how taxing it is, therefore you go back to a zone and ordinary teams pick it apart. |
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thompsoc
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| BucksIsFutureCoach wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | Well Leppa got 3 years and Bux got 6 years to prove themselves.
Notice the difference? |
Is this trivial persuit?
I'm up for the challenge.
Brisbane panicked and sacked Voss when fabulous Favola self destructed.
Then panicked again and sacked Leppa to cover up the exodus of all their players at the end of each year.
Difference is we didn't panick.
Do I win the prize? |
A dud is a dud is a dud.
Voss and Leppa weren't any good.
Same with Bux at the moment.
May change next year but I doubt it.
If you really want to see the difference between
Bux and a great coach look no further than the last
2 minutes of the 4th quarter.
I wrote of the exact set up at the centre bounce from us being 1 goal up.
Clarko got it completely right and Bux fu..ked it up.
The Hawk players knew exactly how to set up with that situation
We just basically went with the same game day setup.
It is a small difference but it meant the difference between a top 4 spot
and a bottom 4 final spot.
That is what all you buckley lovers don't understand.
He might get 90 % right but he is not getting 95% right and it is showing on the ladder.
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nomadjack
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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| Sorry, but that's way too simplistic a comparison. You have no idea what set up Bucks asked for or how close the players went to executing it. The final two minutes was most likely more about Clarko having 18 premiership players on the park with way more experience. |
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Krakouer Magic
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| thompsoc wrote: | | BucksIsFutureCoach wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | Well Leppa got 3 years and Bux got 6 years to prove themselves.
Notice the difference? |
Is this trivial persuit?
I'm up for the challenge.
Brisbane panicked and sacked Voss when fabulous Favola self destructed.
Then panicked again and sacked Leppa to cover up the exodus of all their players at the end of each year.
Difference is we didn't panick.
Do I win the prize? |
A dud is a dud is a dud.
Voss and Leppa weren't any good.
Same with Bux at the moment.
May change next year but I doubt it.
If you really want to see the difference between
Bux and a great coach look no further than the last
2 minutes of the 4th quarter.
I wrote of the exact set up at the centre bounce from us being 1 goal up.
Clarko got it completely right and Bux fu..ked it up.
The Hawk players knew exactly how to set up with that situation
We just basically went with the same game day setup.
It is a small difference but it meant the difference between a top 4 spot
and a bottom 4 final spot.
That is what all you buckley lovers don't understand.
He might get 90 % right but he is not getting 95% right and it is showing on the ladder. |
Exactly right. Near enough is not good enough. The first 7 rounds we were a disorganised rabble. Injuries didn't help, but the stoppage set ups were atrocious. And stoppage set ups are designed by the coaching staff. Bucks may not have designed them, but he signed off on them. They were just as responsible, if not more so, for our poor results than injuries or a young list |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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thompsoc
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| nomadjack wrote: | | Sorry, but that's way too simplistic a comparison. You have no idea what set up Bucks asked for or how close the players went to executing it. The final two minutes was most likely more about Clarko having 18 premiership players on the park with way more experience. |
Go watch the last 2 minutes
I have at least 10 times.
We were 1 goal up with the winds in our sail.
The set up from the Hawks from when they were 1 goal down compared
to when it was even is completely different.
Do you think they weren't drilled in this?
Do you think it was just karma that Rioli was in there.
Man, don't you understand it is a game of centimetres!
Bux was out coached at this point.
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Krakouer Magic
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| nomadjack wrote: | | Sorry, but that's way too simplistic a comparison. You have no idea what set up Bucks asked for or how close the players went to executing it. The final two minutes was most likely more about Clarko having 18 premiership players on the park with way more experience. |
And how many premierships had Fitzpatrick won? No pies players in the goal square at all or deep in defence? Why'd we not send 10 players into defensive 50 after the treloar goal? Why'd our premiership players in Goldsack and Brown not take the initiative to be loose deep in defence? Come on man. Clarko gives a message to the players they listen. Bucks gives a message and the players don't listen. You saw Bucks going nuts after the Fitzpatrick goal. Clearly a direction was given and not followed. When it happens a few times you question the players. When it happens for 5 years I think you can question whether the coach can get the message across |
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RudeBoy
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| Krakouer Magic wrote: | | nomadjack wrote: | | Sorry, but that's way too simplistic a comparison. You have no idea what set up Bucks asked for or how close the players went to executing it. The final two minutes was most likely more about Clarko having 18 premiership players on the park with way more experience. |
And how many premierships had Fitzpatrick won? No pies players in the goal square at all or deep in defence? Why'd we not send 10 players into defensive 50 after the treloar goal? Why'd our premiership players in Goldsack and Brown not take the initiative to be loose deep in defence? Come on man. Clarko gives a message to the players they listen. Bucks gives a message and the players don't listen. You saw Bucks going nuts after the Fitzpatrick goal. Clearly a direction was given and not followed. When it happens a few times you question the players. When it happens for 5 years I think you can question whether the coach can get the message across |
You're right. That pathetic performance by our team on Sunday is evidence that Bucks is a dud coach.  |
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Krakouer Magic
Joined: 05 Apr 2011
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| thompsoc wrote: | | nomadjack wrote: | | Sorry, but that's way too simplistic a comparison. You have no idea what set up Bucks asked for or how close the players went to executing it. The final two minutes was most likely more about Clarko having 18 premiership players on the park with way more experience. |
Go watch the last 2 minutes
I have at least 10 times.
We were 1 goal up with the winds in our sail.
The set up from the Hawks from when they were 1 goal down compared
to when it was even is completely different.
Do you think they weren't drilled in this?
Do you think it was just karma that Rioli was in there.
Man, don't you understand it is a game of centimetres!
Bux was out coached at this point. |
Haha don't start talking logic and asking people to watch replays or tape. They don't believe their any evidence of consistent flaws in video |
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Krakouer Magic
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| RudeBoy wrote: | | Krakouer Magic wrote: | | nomadjack wrote: | | Sorry, but that's way too simplistic a comparison. You have no idea what set up Bucks asked for or how close the players went to executing it. The final two minutes was most likely more about Clarko having 18 premiership players on the park with way more experience. |
And how many premierships had Fitzpatrick won? No pies players in the goal square at all or deep in defence? Why'd we not send 10 players into defensive 50 after the treloar goal? Why'd our premiership players in Goldsack and Brown not take the initiative to be loose deep in defence? Come on man. Clarko gives a message to the players they listen. Bucks gives a message and the players don't listen. You saw Bucks going nuts after the Fitzpatrick goal. Clearly a direction was given and not followed. When it happens a few times you question the players. When it happens for 5 years I think you can question whether the coach can get the message across |
You're right. That pathetic performance by our team on Sunday is evidence that Bucks is a dud coach. |
Your pointing to a close loss in round 23 to prove bucks can coach? Let's just forget the past 3 seasons shall we??? |
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thompsoc
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| Krakouer Magic wrote: | | nomadjack wrote: | | Sorry, but that's way too simplistic a comparison. You have no idea what set up Bucks asked for or how close the players went to executing it. The final two minutes was most likely more about Clarko having 18 premiership players on the park with way more experience. |
And how many premierships had Fitzpatrick won? No pies players in the goal square at all or deep in defence? Why'd we not send 10 players into defensive 50 after the treloar goal? Why'd our premiership players in Goldsack and Brown not take the initiative to be loose deep in defence? Come on man. Clarko gives a message to the players they listen. Bucks gives a message and the players don't listen. You saw Bucks going nuts after the Fitzpatrick goal. Clearly a direction was given and not followed. When it happens a few times you question the players. When it happens for 5 years I think you can question whether the coach can get the message across |
we didn't go all out defence or all out attack in the last 2 minutes.
We had 1 extra man back but he was on the 50m line.
They had a man coming off the 50m mark but he was attacking and all
of their mids were attacking.
We had Crisp as a tagger with Burgone.
We didn't adjust.
And KM made a good point ...why is Bux going off in the box all the time?
What is going wrong?
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007
Location: Between London and Melbourne
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| Krakouer Magic wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | | BucksIsFutureCoach wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | Well Leppa got 3 years and Bux got 6 years to prove themselves.
Notice the difference? |
Is this trivial persuit?
I'm up for the challenge.
Brisbane panicked and sacked Voss when fabulous Favola self destructed.
Then panicked again and sacked Leppa to cover up the exodus of all their players at the end of each year.
Difference is we didn't panick.
Do I win the prize? |
A dud is a dud is a dud.
Voss and Leppa weren't any good.
Same with Bux at the moment.
May change next year but I doubt it.
If you really want to see the difference between
Bux and a great coach look no further than the last
2 minutes of the 4th quarter.
I wrote of the exact set up at the centre bounce from us being 1 goal up.
Clarko got it completely right and Bux fu..ked it up.
The Hawk players knew exactly how to set up with that situation
We just basically went with the same game day setup.
It is a small difference but it meant the difference between a top 4 spot
and a bottom 4 final spot.
That is what all you buckley lovers don't understand.
He might get 90 % right but he is not getting 95% right and it is showing on the ladder. |
Exactly right. Near enough is not good enough. The first 7 rounds we were a disorganised rabble. Injuries didn't help, but the stoppage set ups were atrocious. And stoppage set ups are designed by the coaching staff. Bucks may not have designed them, but he signed off on them. They were just as responsible, if not more so, for our poor results than injuries or a young list |
So the latter half of the year shows an impressive ability of the coach to learn, adapt, and drill execution into a disorganised rabble ? He's better than I thought.
In truth, as everyone who has ever coached a young team (or managed anything complicated) knows, success = talent, plus practice, plus experience under pressure. We did not have all three in the first half, and increasingly we do.
So in the second half, we beat two top four sides and ran another to a point. We beat another top six side and ran the other to three points. Same coach as first half of the year, completely different types of results. Simple logic would suggest that the coach is not the key variable.
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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