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Lazza
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Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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| David from Canberra wrote: | | I guess maybe its a case of too many people confuse "all terrorists are muslim" (which isn't even true obviously, although most of the well-publicised organiztions are) with "all muslims are terrorist"..... I can't understand what leads people to spit on and abuse muslims, often women.... (how soft is that?) when the majority of muslims have no connection with terrorist organizations or terrorist sympathies. It is a sad state of affairs but I don't agree that the government is to blame, it is simply, let's face it, not particularly intelligent people who read a few lines in a newspaper and start suspecting everyone who isn't white. |
It is very hard NOT to blame the government when Howard actively promotes a culture of suspicion of anyone remotely looking different through his terrorist laws and the less intelligent people respond in the only way they know - abusing and spitting on Muslim women AND little children too. They are low life ferals (probably all Essendon scumbags) who suddenly feel all important and duty bound to abuse, throw things at and spit on perfectly innocent people who are most probably fellow Aussies. Ggrrr, get me at 'em   |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
Joined: 17 Mar 2003
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| Perhaps I'm just expressing my own concern about it. |
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Lazza
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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| Steve wrote: | | I reserve the right for me and my family not to be blown up, it is a shame that good aussies will get caught up in all this, we have no choices in this because as much as we would all like to think it will just go away it wont. |
And my family and I deserve the right not to be targeted or victimised because of our skin colour, especially my two kids who were born here. I did NOT vote for this mob in office, this culture of suspicion to be introduced nor did I ever support the invasion of Iraq. WHY should my family have to suffer for the consequences of bad choices by the Liberal govt to suck up to the Yanks.
| Steve wrote: | this talk of right wing blah blah, what would you have the government do? absolutely nothing until we have our 9/11? they are dammed if they do and dammed if they dont.
like it or not, we are at war. |
It still does not justify treating some Aussies as second class citizens just because of the way they look, dress or speak. What ever happened to the famous Aussie fair go for all? |
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MagpieMad 
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m8 I feel for you, I do, but this has little to do with who is in government, either side of polotics would be doing the same thing, the facts are no one voted for terrorism, they where flying planes into buildings before we went into iraq, they'll blow you up as quick as they'd blow me up.
what do you suggest the free world do? let them kill us in the thousands?
there is no easy for everyone answer and as much as people in this country want to stick their heads in the sand we can't anymore.
the aussie fair go for all is just a dream, it always has been.
Steve.
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David 
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Howard does not provoke any fear... he can only state the facts and try to combat terrorism as much as possible.... the reason people are afraid is that there is a real enemy out there who wants to, and probably will, attack Australia...
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Lazza
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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| MagpieMad wrote: | m8 I feel for you, I do, but this has little to do with who is in government, either side of polotics would be doing the same thing, the facts are no one voted for terrorism, they where flying planes into buildings before we went into iraq, they'll blow you up as quick as they'd blow me up.
what do you suggest the free world do? let them kill us in the thousands?
there is no easy for everyone answer and as much as people in this country want to stick their heads in the sand we can't anymore.
the aussie fair go for all is just a dream, it always has been.
Steve. |
So what do I say to my two crying young kids when next they are verbally and racially abused walking to school by feral yobbos spitting on them and asking them to go back "home"? Do I say these are real Aussies expressing concern about their own safety by having a go at two innocent young AUSSIE kids who happen to be dark skinned although they have a dinky di or true blue (or whatever you call her) Aussie mother? There HAS to be a proper balance, we just cannot let bloody terrorists instil fear and threaten our lifestyle by combating it with a culture of suspicion which is actively promoted by the Liberals. We are all going to die one day but lets not have our children abused and spat on (among other atrocities happening to Muslim women that I know of) without strongly standing up to this type of racist hate being perpetrated, all because of the fear of a possible terrorist attack. Its just not worth the hurt to some sections of the Aussie society. Unless of course this is just yet another tactic by the Tories to get rid of some of the non white Aussies and spread the same Tampa and children overboard bullshit fears among the gullible throngs who vote for them...................  |
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London Dave 
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| David from Canberra wrote: | | ... he can only state the facts ... |
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MagpieMad
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yeah whatever, you seem more worried about getting you political opinion across more than anything, don't go putting me in the same bag as those yobbos you talk of as you know absolutely nothing about me.
the simple facts are we are all targets because of someone elses racism towards us, all of us.
if you think your labour party would be handling this any different you have rocks in your head, no political party would survive if we had a 9/11 here and no one had done anything to prevent it.
| Quote: | | Unless of course this is just yet another tactic by the Tories to get rid of some of the non white Aussies and spread the same Tampa and children overboard bullshit fears among the gullible throngs who vote for them... |
who's the racist here? just because I'm white doesn't mean you have the right to lump me with the racist tag.
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Lazza
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| MagpieMad wrote: | yeah whatever, you seem more worried about getting you political opinion across more than anything, don't go putting me in the same bag as those yobbos you talk of as you know absolutely nothing about me.
the simple facts are we are all targets because of someone elses racism towards us, all of us.
if you think your labour party would be handling this any different you have rocks in your head, no political party would survive if we had a 9/11 here and no one had done anything to prevent it.
| Quote: | | Unless of course this is just yet another tactic by the Tories to get rid of some of the non white Aussies and spread the same Tampa and children overboard bullshit fears among the gullible throngs who vote for them... |
who's the racist here? just because I'm white doesn't mean you have the right to lump me with the racist tag. |
Settle! Where did I call you a racist? I was stating an opinion, political it certainly was, feel free to disagree with it all you like but please dont put words in my mouth or wrongly accuse me as calling you a racist.
Working in a Government department, I'm well aware than most of the political fear tactics used by Howard to get his right winged messages across. I see it clearly every week. But when my two innocent kids get racially abused or accused of supporting terrorism while walking to school, due to this fear everyone that looks a bit different nonsense, I make absolutely no apologies for firing right up and getting very angry.. |
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MagpieMad
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| Quote: | | Unless of course this is just yet another tactic by the Tories to get rid of some of the non white Aussies and spread the same Tampa and children overboard bullshit fears among the gullible throngs who vote for them... |
the hell you didn't, I voted liberal now I'm a racist torie, I should settle? you are as bad as the yobbos you talk about, they racialy abuse because of the colour of your skin, you racialy abuse me because I'm white and I voted liberal.
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Lazza
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| MagpieMad wrote: | | Quote: | | Unless of course this is just yet another tactic by the Tories to get rid of some of the non white Aussies and spread the same Tampa and children overboard bullshit fears among the gullible throngs who vote for them... |
the hell you didn't, I voted liberal now I'm a racist torie, I should settle? you are as bad as the yobbos you talk about, they racialy abuse because of the colour of your skin, you racialy abuse me because I'm white and I voted liberal. |
If you want to be so precious and take it the way the comment wasn't meant, go right ahead if that makes you happy and content.....
If you dont believe that the Tampa fears and the children overboard stuff was all a load of rubbish, so be it, you are perfectly entitled to your opinion which I very strongly disagree with. To ME, (MY opinion!!) it is this very fear factor which helps keep Howard in office like some kind of teddy bear that shit scared voters like to hug in times of perceived threats from everywhere, probably including those from those nasty socialists like me hiding under their beds...   |
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MagpieMad
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lol precious, yeah that's it, totally ignore the fact that you are as bad as those you complain about, they unfarely treat you and your children based on the colour of your skin, you do the same to any white Australian who dares vote against your political ideals, we are all white-right-wing-torie-racists, it is the same thing.
you are as bad as them, your denial of it just goes to prove the point.
and just for the record, none of all that crap you mentioned has anything to do with my reasons for voting liberal, the current labour party crop of pollies couln't organise a screw in a brothel with fist full of fifties, I've voted labour before and could care less which party is in government as long as they get the job done, I could care less if you are a comunist or whatever.
but what would a white man know about racism.
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Lazza
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Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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| MagpieMad wrote: | lol precious, yeah that's it, totally ignore the fact that you are as bad as those you complain about, they unfarely treat you and your children based on the colour of your skin, you do the same to any white Australian who dares vote against your political ideals, we are all white-right-wing-torie-racists, it is the same thing.
you are as bad as them, your denial of it just goes to prove the point.
and just for the record, none of all that crap you mentioned has anything to do with my reasons for voting liberal, the current labour party crop of pollies couln't organise a screw in a brothel with fist full of fifties, I've voted labour before and could care less which party is in government as long as they get the job done, I could care less if you are a comunist or whatever.
but what would a white man know about racism. |
If you want to vote for the Tories who seemingly are past experts at organising a screw in a brothel go right ahead!! 
You also seem totally obsessed with the colour of my skin for some weird reason!! Get over it, I AM dark skinned! On the other hand I frankly couldn't care less if you were black, white or khaki, as long as you dont experience racism or the politics which actively foster this type of social environment.
You also seem to totally ignore the fact that I even highlighted in Capitol's, this is MY opinion and I'm fully entitled to it as you are to yours. There is no right or wrong, just a point of view based on work and personal experience over a very long period of time. I'm a Social Worker and my philosophies at work and in life are most certainly not shared by the right winged Tory leaning and voting people. I don't share the usual "I'm alright Jack, stuff the rest of you" Tory views. I dont agree with the Tory Capitalist system that shuns the poorer classes and rely on their famous trickle down of wealth pyramid that just doesn't reach the most needy at the bottom because it gets stuck in the middle. I dont agree with voting Tory at one election and then swinging right across to the left at the next election, to ME it is like barracking for Collingwood in one season and then for Carlton or Essendon in the next season. YUK.
These are all MY opinions. You will in all probability strongly disagree which is not a bad thing.... |
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MagpieMad
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your the one with the problem with your skin, not me, you throw out there that since I vote liberal I'm a racist, that's the point I'm arguing here, I live fare below the poverty line so I know what that is it is like to, I grew up with aboriginal, assian, indian, pakistany, greek and italian m8s and I don't appreciate being labelled as a racist because I'm white and voted right not left, because that is as weak as piss.
don't get snotty about your right to an opinion as that is all I'm doing, giving you my opinion, capitol letters or not,
if you can even compare polotics with our football club then you are in a mess, you should step back and get a grip on your political zeal, Collingwood is the only thing outside my family I am passionate about, if you put polotics up there with Collingwood well that's your lookout.
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Lazza
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Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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| MagpieMad wrote: | your the one with the problem with your skin, not me, you throw out there that since I vote liberal I'm a racist, that's the point I'm arguing here, I live fare below the poverty line so I know what that is it is like to, I grew up with aboriginal, assian, indian, pakistany, greek and italian m8s and I don't appreciate being labelled as a racist because I'm white and voted right not left, because that is as weak as piss.
don't get snotty about your right to an opinion as that is all I'm doing, giving you my opinion, capitol letters or not,
if you can even compare polotics with our football club then you are in a mess, you should step back and get a grip on your political zeal, Collingwood is the only thing outside my family I am passionate about, if you put polotics up there with Collingwood well that's your lookout. |
Okay thanks for sharing that with me................... |
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