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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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Does "it" still refer to It's not going to hurt you and if it goes some way towards healing the rift between the Aboriginals and White Australians wtf? My brain pattern set does not have a response for that. What's your sign? What is your real name? |
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Alec. J. Hidell
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sherrife wrote: | frankiboy wrote: | I'm not afraid to say sorry, even if I had nothing to with it. How hard could it possibly be? It's not going to hurt you and if it goes some way towards healing the rift between the Aboriginals and White Australians, wtf is holding you back? Pride? Admission of guilt? Get over it.
Sorry.
Is it so &%^%&%^& hard? |
I think I'm slowly falling in love with a left-wing emu. |
Imagine the children!!!! _________________ The one man in the world, who never believes he is mad, is the madman. |
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Alec. J. Hidell
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Myths
Myth 1 - I will not be made to feel guilt and shame for something I didn’t do.
Individual Australians are not responsible and should not feel guilty. ‘Sorry’ does not have to be an expression of shame or guilt. It can be an expression of empathy, as in ‘I’m sorry to hear your friend died’ or ‘I’m sorry you got hurt in that car accident’. If people are still confused on this front, they might recall that several years ago, John Howard apologised on
behalf on the nation to Vietnam Veterans for their poor treatment when they returned from the war.
In any case the apology will not be made on behalf of the Australian people but rather limited to the Australian Parliament.
Myth 2 – The Stolen Generations are a thing of the past
Of all the Stolen Generations myths, this is one of the biggest. The facts are that the removal of Indigenous children continued well into the 1960s and early 1970s. These people are still alive today and the effect on individuals, families and communities lasts a lifetime (and beyond).
Myth 3 - Saying sorry won’t deliver better results in health, housing or education. Saying sorry is not of itself supposed to deliver health, housing and education. The fundamental flaw of this particular objection is that it implies Australia can’t deliver practical outcomes while simultaneously delivering symbolic gestures. In other words, it suggests we can’t walk and chew gum at the same time.
The government must also pursue practical measures to address Indigenous disadvantage, but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t begin the process with a symbolic act.
Myth 4 - It’ll cost us a fortune
Contrary to popular opinion, a national apology will have no legal impact on the capacity of members of the Stolen Generations to seek compensation. The ability of members of the Stolen Generations to pursue legal claims has existed since they were taken and nothing changes that. As a nation, an apology costs us nothing.
Myth 5 - The people who performed the removals thought they were doing the right thing.
Good people do things that turn out to be wrong – but that doesn’t mean they’re excused
from apologising. The majority of Indigenous children were removed from families not on the basis of the level of their care - but simply because of the colour of their skin. Many kids experienced physical, sexual and emotional abuse in their foster families and institutions after they were removed. For those people who believe that forced removal actually benefited the children – it’s pretty difficult to find a member of the Stolen Generations who is happy about being denied the love of their parents and extended family.
Myth 6 - Saying sorry won’t change the past
Sadly, it won’t. But it will have a massive impact on the future – Stolen Generations members have already started healing since the promise to apologise was announced. An apology means an enormous amount to Indigenous people and the nation as a whole – and will cost us nothing.
Myth 7 - Saying sorry just leads people to think everything’s been fixed.
Whether you’re for or against it, anyone who thinks that everything will be ‘fixed’ with the apology is kidding themselves. No-one is claiming that uttering the word ‘sorry’ is going to solve all the problems facing Indigenous Australians. Whatever your view on the apology, everyone agrees that practical actions still need to be taken. The apology is an important first step.
Who are the stolen generations? The term ‘Stolen Generations’ refers to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians who were forcibly removed from their families and communities by policies of government, welfare and church authorities as children and placed into institutional care or with non-Indigenous foster families. The forced removal of
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children began as early as the mid 1800s and continued until the 1970s.
The apology? A central recommendation of the 1997 'Bringing Them Home' report was the need for a national apology to those individuals and their families and communities affected by past policies of removal. Members of the Stolen Generations have indicated that recognition by the Government that the policies were wrong would help in addressing the trauma and suffering that they have experienced. The need for a national apology is also regarded as an important component of the broader reconciliation process between Indigenous and non-Indigenous Australians. _________________ The one man in the world, who never believes he is mad, is the madman. |
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joffa corfe
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David wrote: | joffa corfe wrote: | I will be in Canberra the day our Government apologises, for no other reason than to be there as this historic moment occurs.
I will be in the vicinity of Parliament house i dont expect to be allowed to be inside, When the apology has been handed down i come back to Melbourne.
Will be something i get to tell my two boys as maybe one of them moments in time that shaped this country! |
lol, I might make it too out of curiosity... so if I see you, I'll say hi |
We'll hold hands, im feeling all fuzzy and warm _________________ Football is Greatness
http://youtu.be/tJwoKbPOsQE |
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bwphantom
It's Better to Burn Out Than to Fade Away
Joined: 15 Mar 2002 Location: Brisbane QLD
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I have no problem with the 'Sorry issue'. But please when it has been done can we all move ahead and forge a new future together as Australians? _________________ All this may be summed up in one word - CHARACTER - and if that is not worth developing, nothing is.
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Piethagoras' Theorem
the hypotenuse, is always a cakewalk
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joffa corfe wrote: | David wrote: | joffa corfe wrote: | I will be in Canberra the day our Government apologises, for no other reason than to be there as this historic moment occurs.
I will be in the vicinity of Parliament house i dont expect to be allowed to be inside, When the apology has been handed down i come back to Melbourne.
Will be something i get to tell my two boys as maybe one of them moments in time that shaped this country! |
lol, I might make it too out of curiosity... so if I see you, I'll say hi |
We'll hold hands, im feeling all fuzzy and warm |
You may well need to hold his hand Joff, seems like Sherrife has moved on and taken a liking to me .
If only he could lose the beard , we could make this thing work _________________ Formally frankiboy and FrankieGoesToCollingwood. |
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joffa corfe
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frankiboy wrote: | joffa corfe wrote: | David wrote: | joffa corfe wrote: | I will be in Canberra the day our Government apologises, for no other reason than to be there as this historic moment occurs.
I will be in the vicinity of Parliament house i dont expect to be allowed to be inside, When the apology has been handed down i come back to Melbourne.
Will be something i get to tell my two boys as maybe one of them moments in time that shaped this country! |
lol, I might make it too out of curiosity... so if I see you, I'll say hi |
We'll hold hands, im feeling all fuzzy and warm |
You may well need to hold his hand Joff, seems like Sherrife has moved on and taken a liking to me .
If only he could lose the beard , we could make this thing work |
LOL in real life Sherrife would be a four foot 45kg clean shaven with them hideous coke bottle glasses _________________ Football is Greatness
http://youtu.be/tJwoKbPOsQE |
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slangman
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I cannot believe that some people actually think that when the Goverment says SORRY, it will be because of them personally.
Political parties are mearly custodians of government in this country, so when Rudd says SORRY, it is not for what he, you or I did, but for the policies of the past Australian Governments in regards to the stolen generation.
Education has taught us (except for the redneck Andrew Bolt) that taking away somebodies children on the basis of race is NOT the right thing to do.
Anybody who thinks that it was not a racist policy should look into the history of this country and realize that not until some 30-40 years, Australia had a WHITE policy. _________________ - Side By Side - |
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joffa corfe
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slangman wrote: | I cannot believe that some people actually think that when the Goverment says SORRY, it will be because of them personally.
Political parties are mearly custodians of government in this country, so when Rudd says SORRY, it is not for what he, you or I did, but for the policies of the past Australian Governments in regards to the stolen generation.
Education has taught us (except for the redneck Andrew Bolt) that taking away somebodies children on the basis of race is NOT the right thing to do.
Anybody who thinks that it was not a racist policy should look into the history of this country and realize that not until some 30-40 years, Australia had a WHITE policy. |
Well said slanger _________________ Football is Greatness
http://youtu.be/tJwoKbPOsQE |
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bwphantom
It's Better to Burn Out Than to Fade Away
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Hit it on the head Slang. True Democracy is the people making decisions. Political Democracy is when we choose our representatives.
Yes past governments have made mistakes on behalf of the people, and in some cases has fracked it up. But when it comes down to it i would not want our political system run any other way. _________________ All this may be summed up in one word - CHARACTER - and if that is not worth developing, nothing is.
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member34258
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Amen Slanger.
The Prime Minister has invited all previous leaders of our nation to the sorry ceremony next week.
Guess which racist is not going? |
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David
to wish impossible things
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: the edge of the deep green sea
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member34258 wrote: | Amen Slanger.
The Prime Minister has invited all previous leaders of our nation to the sorry ceremony next week.
Guess which racist is not going? |
point scoring from Rudd, I guess? _________________ "Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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David wrote: | member34258 wrote: | Amen Slanger.
The Prime Minister has invited all previous leaders of our nation to the sorry ceremony next week.
Guess which racist is not going? |
point scoring from Rudd, I guess? |
The telepathic link is working well David.
I notice that Rudd is going to make the apology during parliament so that Parliamentart Privildge will be invoked, preventing it being used for any compensation claim. Also that apparently every state and territory government has already made an apology that obviously didn't do much good.
I do empathise with what the Aborignals have been through and if this apology helps everyone to be able to move forward then do it; mean it; and lets get on with fixing things that are broken for all Australians. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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John Wren
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
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joffa corfe wrote: | slangman wrote: | I cannot believe that some people actually think that when the Goverment says SORRY, it will be because of them personally.
Political parties are mearly custodians of government in this country, so when Rudd says SORRY, it is not for what he, you or I did, but for the policies of the past Australian Governments in regards to the stolen generation.
Education has taught us (except for the redneck Andrew Bolt) that taking away somebodies children on the basis of race is NOT the right thing to do.
Anybody who thinks that it was not a racist policy should look into the history of this country and realize that not until some 30-40 years, Australia had a WHITE policy. |
Well said slanger |
rudd made it quite clear he was saying sorry on behalf of the australian government and i like his stance of saying sorry being sufficient. _________________ Purveyor of sanctimonious twaddle. |
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nomadjack
Joined: 27 Apr 2006 Location: Essendon
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stui magpie wrote: | David wrote: | member34258 wrote: | Amen Slanger.
The Prime Minister has invited all previous leaders of our nation to the sorry ceremony next week.
Guess which racist is not going? |
point scoring from Rudd, I guess? |
The telepathic link is working well David.
I notice that Rudd is going to make the apology during parliament so that Parliamentart Privildge will be invoked, preventing it being used for any compensation claim. Also that apparently every state and territory government has already made an apology that obviously didn't do much good.
I do empathise with what the Aborignals have been through and if this apology helps everyone to be able to move forward then do it; mean it; and lets get on with fixing things that are broken for all Australians. |
Why would he need to score points off Howard, he's already being repudiated by his own party without Rudd needing to worry about it. Former Prime Ministers are being invited in their capacity as former heads of government. I would have thought the significance of their being present might have been obvious, but perhaps not for those that would still rather use any excuse possible to shit can the whole idea of an apology.
Stui, do you have any understanding about what parliamentary privalege is or means? It has absolutely nothing to do with making an apology and has no bearing on whether or not an apology can be used in any case for compensation. |
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