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[Murray]

Well said Joffa.
Any loss of life is tradgic.

However, I read about a train crash in Europe yesterday, it killed 35 people. It rated about a 2 cm column in the Age.
How I wish more people could see things as clearly as I think you do Joffa.


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[Northern Pie]

Now I understand why the Religion & Politics thing is so correct....hatemongering is hatemongerin gregardless of whose side you take....I don't wonder at all what life would be like without American propaganda or Israeli propoganda or any the lies and deciet that come from the oppressing leader or iraq. I simply wonder what the world would be like without hate....and it seems that we are still along way away from that.

My sympathies go out to all who die in tragic circumstances regardless of colour or creed. The train crash in Sydney was tragic and loss of life could have been avoided if only recommendation put forward for change had been adhered to. I feel for those intrepid explorers, who, regardless of thier governments intentions, evil or otherwise had only the intention in their hearts to create new frontiers and to expand mans knowledge of the universe...I feel for the people of Iraq who may suffer the consequences of an evil manipulative dictator whose supposed self importance is outweighed by his actual importance, and has caused probably more civilian death due to testing of his own supposed power than may be caused in an impending war...A tragedy is a tragedy in any nationality....Australian, Chinese, American, or otherwise.

When will the hate end????

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[MagpieMad]

Well said NP, its a shame that a genuine outpour greef from some, gets turned into a message of hate by others.
R.I.P COLUMBIA

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[JLC]

Didn't Russia have a submarine where people died ?? I thought that got a fair bit of exposure ??

jlc

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[MarkT]

It is a terrible tradgedy but on the scale of world events it doesn't rate the press proportionate to what it got. More poeple die in an Israeli raid in the occupied territories, or a Palestinian bombing, or any number of daily events. More people will dies in the first hour of Iraki Bombing and every hour after that and many of them have no say in thier fate whatsoever.

Hopefully the space programe will be put on hold and the money spent on more benevolent activities. Maybe not!

[Black_White]

O.K. Train wreck vs Shuttle disaster.
Difference?
VIDEO my friends, VIDEO!

How much film was available of the train disaster? Zero, zilch.
How much film of the Columbia disaster? Seems every american and his dog now owns a vid cam and we have all seen the results. Spectacular pics of people losing their lives, of tonnes of junk hurtling to earth in a display reminiscent of NYE, is sure to be on every TV channel, in every publication for the next few months.
Add to that, FBI warnings that the junk is toxic, don't touch.
Still pics of a burnt space helmet. How identifiable. Any identifiable bits that tell you it was a train that derailed? That pieces of Columbia appeared on E-Bay within hours for sale, only adds fuel for our media friends to bombard us with.

Every loss of life, in the western or eastern or so-called "third world", is tragic and should be met with our grief and sorrow.
Unfortunately, we are products of our society and that means we are media driven. And the media uses any available footage/stills to "inform" us. The Sydney crash had precious few of these images.

-Craig

[Peppermint Pattie]

I can't believe that this discussion is even happening.
I started the thread to honour the memories of the dead astronauts, not to get everyone bagging the Americans.

Rowdy, You are 100% correct, we (or rather, I) consider this to be a big issue because space exploration is a topic close to my heart.
This tragedy had a big impact on me because for years, I have wanted to travel to space, and I have followed the journey of the Columbia since launch.

[one eyed magpie]

The death of seven people in a train crash in Sydney is tragic. And, contrary to what someone said, it was extensively covered in the media.

The death of seven people in a shuttle explosion is tragic. It happened in America. America has the largest and most aggressive media on the planet. Any wonder it got so much coverage.

The death of a cosmonaut (eg Gagarin) is tragic. It too was extensively covered - albeit for different reasons (cold war and all that).

The death of 45 people in a train crash in Zimbabwe is also tragic. It hardly got any coverage - hardly any piccies guys.

The death of probably thousands in Iraq will probably get lots of coverage - except it will all be from the viewpoint of the planes dropping the bombs.

So it goes.   

[Hurricane]

Agreed.

I can't believe how its socially acceptable to discriminate against and hate Americans.

All lives are irreplaceable.

[joffa_the_man_in_gold]

I dont hate americans i just feel sorry for them.

I dont bow to anything american and im certainly not in awe of everything american.

The space mission represents everything wrong with america it clearly justifies the expense whilst its society is wrecked with crime drugs and poverty.

And i do agree death of any human being is very sad, i dont however regard the deaths of 7 astronauts as world catastrophic event.

Its sad how the millions who die each year through starvation doesnt capture the worlds attention.

Its sad that youth suicide through out the world is at its highest and it too doesnt capture our attention as it should.

Get your priorities right the human race is certainly doomed if we try and put the shuttle tragedy above the every day tragedies we now have.

Just think for one minute how far that money would go in helping those in need throughout the world...

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[TaZ_LuVs_EmIn3m]

look guys i think every1 respects ur oppinions but this is a to touchy subject for every1 to get 2 personal!! Yes ive also noticed that it seems like sum countries are more favoured than others but the bottom line is.......7 people died trying to help US for our future and becoz they ricked their lives up in space it helps get us one step closer to us lving out in space so that we can and will go on for thousands and years! Hey it wasnt all americans and it shouldnt matter wat race they r the fact is they died helping us and that should all that count!!!

sorry if i offended n e one but i think its very disrespectful to act like it doesnt matter they died becoz sum of them were americans!!

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[Miss_Lisey_Molloy]

Come on you lil chickens! (thats in a nice way! lolz. its how i talk). Dont you remember in like the 1950's-1970's around then when America was very scared communism was going to take over the country and capitalism would be destroyed! So North Vietnam joined forces with China, and South Vietnam joined forces with USA and they fought the Vietnam war! Then South Vietnam lost but communism didnt take over the world like dominoes, like the Americans thought! We dont need to fight over countries. That was a big war, we dont want our own one!

Sorry i have learnt too much today! lolz

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[Mike]

We are left, we are right, we are neutral, we are Christian and Buddhist and Hindu and Muslim and Jewish and Atheist and Agnostic. Most of us are Australian, but there are plenty of other countries represented by our group as well. We are rich, we are poor... we have almost nothing in common.

Why then are we here?

Oh that's right this is a Collingwood Football Club forum.

Let's have the political / social / economic debate somewhere else, anywhere else - because if we do it here we might learn that we're all different and believe in different things - and we obviously can't cope with that.

[joffa_the_man_in_gold]

The good thing about the vietnam was the ever holier than thou UNITED STATES OF AMERICA got its ass kicked

The sad thing was the horrific loss of australian life.



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100,000 GOLD WIGS and a million shining eyes
This our country's one true game
And the footy ground's on fire
And collingwood's sons and daughter's, under wide Australian skies
Win or lose we're back again to claim the winner's prize.....

Go Pies you bloody beauties !! 'Caaarm Ornnn' kill the Bloody Bastards.


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