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jackcass 
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| Mugwump wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | Bucks said Cloke will play vs Hawks.
You Bloody Idiot Bucks. Bring him in for a Dead Rubber and Stop the VFL Having best Chance of Winning the Flag.
Another Reason to think Bucks is a Usless Coach |
Dave, we are an AFL club and one AFL H&A win matters more than a VFL premiership. Once you are prepared to trade off the AFL for VFL wins, you might as well shut up shop as a club.
I wan the VFL to win everything they enter, and I'll be delighted if they win a premiership - as long as the best 22 are picked in the AFL side, first. I would expect T Cloke to feel the same. |
Yep, this. As a club we get more for 2017 and beyond out of an unlikely win against Hawthorn than we do out of a VFL flag. |
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thompsoc
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| Mugwump wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | Bucks said Cloke will play vs Hawks.
You Bloody Idiot Bucks. Bring him in for a Dead Rubber and Stop the VFL Having best Chance of Winning the Flag.
Another Reason to think Bucks is a Usless Coach |
Dave, we are an AFL club and one AFL H&A win matters more than a VFL premiership. Once you are prepared to trade off the AFL for VFL wins, you might as well shut up shop as a club.
I wan the VFL to win everything they enter, and I'll be delighted if they win a premiership - as long as the best 22 are picked in the AFL side, first. I would expect T Cloke to feel the same. |
This is the attitude that makes me despair about the shape of things to come.
The mechanical and analytical response is to say play Cloke in the AFL this week. Fits in with the professional aspect of the game.
But he won't be there next year and it will makes not one iota
of difference if we win this week.
The passionate response is to play Cloke in the VFL this week.
It is what a lot of supporters would want.
But sentiment has no place at Collingwood this week.
It is why being a supporter is difficult to get excited about.
Cloke is gone and it would be great to see him win a VFL flag.
But the system demands otherwise.
I Don't blame the club for doing the professional thing.
But it stinks.
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eddiesmith 
Lets get ready to Rumble
Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: Lexus Centre
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| Mugwump wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | Bucks said Cloke will play vs Hawks.
You Bloody Idiot Bucks. Bring him in for a Dead Rubber and Stop the VFL Having best Chance of Winning the Flag.
Another Reason to think Bucks is a Usless Coach |
Dave, we are an AFL club and one AFL H&A win matters more than a VFL premiership. Once you are prepared to trade off the AFL for VFL wins, you might as well shut up shop as a club.
I wan the VFL to win everything they enter, and I'll be delighted if they win a premiership - as long as the best 22 are picked in the AFL side, first. I would expect T Cloke to feel the same. |
Put in a fit Dane Swan, Travis Cloke, Darcy Moore or any player on our list unavailable and we are still not beating Hawthorn this week. Buckley has never beaten Hawthorn and he never will...
But Buckleys handling of Cloke has been deplorable all season so its no surprise he would go down this path. It cannot make logical sense to drop a player to the 2nds, not pick him despite form then when it comes down to a meaningless game we are going to get thumped in anyway pick him to ensure he cannot play finals in the 2nds. |
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John Wren 
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
Joined: 15 Jul 2007
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| Mugwump wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | Bucks said Cloke will play vs Hawks.
You Bloody Idiot Bucks. Bring him in for a Dead Rubber and Stop the VFL Having best Chance of Winning the Flag.
Another Reason to think Bucks is a Usless Coach |
Dave, we are an AFL club and one AFL H&A win matters more than a VFL premiership. Once you are prepared to trade off the AFL for VFL wins, you might as well shut up shop as a club.
I wan the VFL to win everything they enter, and I'll be delighted if they win a premiership - as long as the best 22 are picked in the AFL side, first. I would expect T Cloke to feel the same. |
the vfl were winning long before cloke entered the scene. playing cloke in the vfl so we can win that flag is fundamentally wrong.
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qldmagpie67
Joined: 18 Dec 2008
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| John Wren wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | Bucks said Cloke will play vs Hawks.
You Bloody Idiot Bucks. Bring him in for a Dead Rubber and Stop the VFL Having best Chance of Winning the Flag.
Another Reason to think Bucks is a Usless Coach |
Dave, we are an AFL club and one AFL H&A win matters more than a VFL premiership. Once you are prepared to trade off the AFL for VFL wins, you might as well shut up shop as a club.
I wan the VFL to win everything they enter, and I'll be delighted if they win a premiership - as long as the best 22 are picked in the AFL side, first. I would expect T Cloke to feel the same. |
the vfl were winning long before cloke entered the scene. playing cloke in the vfl so we can win that flag is fundamentally wrong. |
Correct JW
Buckleys job each week is to select a side in the afl to win end of story. Whilst a VFL flag would be fantastic for many reasons winning AFL games is equally or more important.
Cloke had to play we had nil other alternatives. Cox has simply run out of legs he hasn't done anything in the seconds to warrant a return unlike Cloke who has kicked 5 & 4 goals the past 2 games. It also say to Cloke we asked you to do ABC in the seconds to gain a recall you've done that now return finish the year well and see what happens over the off season.
It didn't matter what Buckely did here the haters would turn it around to be against him not pick him and he's forcing Cloke out the door pick him and he's costing the VFL a flag.
I watched 3(0 last night Buckely said Cloke will play I told him today that and he can now prepare mentally at his best knowing his playing he and the team didn't need anything more media speculation during the week surrounding his selection. I think it's w good call by Buckley gives Cloke every chance to prepare at his best and comes in with goal kicking form |
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CarringbushCigar
Joined: 15 Nov 2007
Location: wherever I lay my beanie
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Correct JW
Buckleys job each week is to select a side in the afl to win end of story. |
This I agree with.
So why the hell was he dropped 2 weeks ago after taking 9 marks on Rance?
Why wasn't he brought back after kicking 5 goals to get some confidence against Gold Coast?
VFL finals should be irrelevant to the senior side.
But given Cloke's obviously leaving it should be his choice how we wants to leave, whether it is in the 1s or 2s.
If I was Bucks this week I'd hand over the whole show to the assistants who are getting the arse, and let them manage all selection and farewells.
Take the opportunity to be an observer only this week, be available for advice only. Bring in the media department and celebrate the careers that we know are ending.
Give something back Bucks by getting the hell out of the way for a few days. |
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thompsoc
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| CarringbushCigar wrote: | | qldmagpie67 wrote: |
Correct JW
Buckleys job each week is to select a side in the afl to win end of story. |
This I agree with.
So why the hell was he dropped 2 weeks ago after taking 9 marks on Rance?
Why wasn't he brought back after kicking 5 goals to get some confidence against Gold Coast?
VFL finals should be irrelevant to the senior side.
But given Cloke's obviously leaving it should be his choice how we wants to leave, whether it is in the 1s or 2s.
If I was Bucks this week I'd hand over the whole show to the assistants who are getting the arse, and let them manage all selection and farewells.
Take the opportunity to be an observer only this week, be available for advice only. Bring in the media department and celebrate the careers that we know are ending.
Give something back Bucks by getting the hell out of the way for a few days. |
Well said CC
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stoliboy
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Sydney, NSW
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| thompsoc wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | Bucks said Cloke will play vs Hawks.
You Bloody Idiot Bucks. Bring him in for a Dead Rubber and Stop the VFL Having best Chance of Winning the Flag.
Another Reason to think Bucks is a Usless Coach |
Dave, we are an AFL club and one AFL H&A win matters more than a VFL premiership. Once you are prepared to trade off the AFL for VFL wins, you might as well shut up shop as a club.
I wan the VFL to win everything they enter, and I'll be delighted if they win a premiership - as long as the best 22 are picked in the AFL side, first. I would expect T Cloke to feel the same. |
This is the attitude that makes me despair about the shape of things to come.
The mechanical and analytical response is to say play Cloke in the AFL this week. Fits in with the professional aspect of the game.
But he won't be there next year and it will makes not one iota
of difference if we win this week.
The passionate response is to play Cloke in the VFL this week.
It is what a lot of supporters would want.
But sentiment has no place at Collingwood this week.
It is why being a supporter is difficult to get excited about.
Cloke is gone and it would be great to see him win a VFL flag.
But the system demands otherwise.
I Don't blame the club for doing the professional thing.
But it stinks. |
How about some of our young players winning a VFL Premiership? What would that do for our development?
Part of out 1990 Premiership win was based around our younger players winning a lower grade premiership a few years earlier.
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thompsoc
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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We haven't got a full complement of drafted and rookie players to make up a VFL side.
Hence, the outside vfl listed players.
So, Cloke won't be taking over any young players spot.
It is no big deal.
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roar
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
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| thompsoc wrote: | | It is no big deal. |
Either way.
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jmac70
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| I think people are getting a bit too carried away with the influence Cloke may have on the VFL team's prospects of winning the flag. I doubt Tapping is all that concerned about not having Cloke, in fact I would suggest that our chances of winning the flag are better without him. |
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Pies4shaw 
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Joined: 08 Oct 2007
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| I think 12 hours after the Coach has announced that Cloke will play in the seniors (thereby ending his availability to play VFL finals) is the right time to make such a comment - this way, there is absolutely no chance of you looking like a dribbling idiot on VFL Grand Final Day. |
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John Wren
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
Joined: 15 Jul 2007
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| stoliboy wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | Bucks said Cloke will play vs Hawks.
You Bloody Idiot Bucks. Bring him in for a Dead Rubber and Stop the VFL Having best Chance of Winning the Flag.
Another Reason to think Bucks is a Usless Coach |
Dave, we are an AFL club and one AFL H&A win matters more than a VFL premiership. Once you are prepared to trade off the AFL for VFL wins, you might as well shut up shop as a club.
I wan the VFL to win everything they enter, and I'll be delighted if they win a premiership - as long as the best 22 are picked in the AFL side, first. I would expect T Cloke to feel the same. |
This is the attitude that makes me despair about the shape of things to come.
The mechanical and analytical response is to say play Cloke in the AFL this week. Fits in with the professional aspect of the game.
But he won't be there next year and it will makes not one iota
of difference if we win this week.
The passionate response is to play Cloke in the VFL this week.
It is what a lot of supporters would want.
But sentiment has no place at Collingwood this week.
It is why being a supporter is difficult to get excited about.
Cloke is gone and it would be great to see him win a VFL flag.
But the system demands otherwise.
I Don't blame the club for doing the professional thing.
But it stinks. |
How about some of our young players winning a VFL Premiership? What would that do for our development?
Part of out 1990 Premiership win was based around our younger players winning a lower grade premiership a few years earlier. |
like whom? it will be terrific for the club, fringe afl players and vfl listed players if we can win the vfl flag but we don't have our future core running around in the vfl. they're either playing afl now or on the injury list.
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RudeBoy
Joined: 28 Nov 2005
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| John Wren wrote: | | stoliboy wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | Bucks said Cloke will play vs Hawks.
You Bloody Idiot Bucks. Bring him in for a Dead Rubber and Stop the VFL Having best Chance of Winning the Flag.
Another Reason to think Bucks is a Usless Coach |
Dave, we are an AFL club and one AFL H&A win matters more than a VFL premiership. Once you are prepared to trade off the AFL for VFL wins, you might as well shut up shop as a club.
I wan the VFL to win everything they enter, and I'll be delighted if they win a premiership - as long as the best 22 are picked in the AFL side, first. I would expect T Cloke to feel the same. |
This is the attitude that makes me despair about the shape of things to come.
The mechanical and analytical response is to say play Cloke in the AFL this week. Fits in with the professional aspect of the game.
But he won't be there next year and it will makes not one iota
of difference if we win this week.
The passionate response is to play Cloke in the VFL this week.
It is what a lot of supporters would want.
But sentiment has no place at Collingwood this week.
It is why being a supporter is difficult to get excited about.
Cloke is gone and it would be great to see him win a VFL flag.
But the system demands otherwise.
I Don't blame the club for doing the professional thing.
But it stinks. |
How about some of our young players winning a VFL Premiership? What would that do for our development?
Part of out 1990 Premiership win was based around our younger players winning a lower grade premiership a few years earlier. |
like whom? it will be terrific for the club, fringe afl players and vfl listed players if we can win the vfl flag but we don't have our future core running around in the vfl. they're either playing afl now or on the injury list. |
Correct. |
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Cam 
Nick's BB Member #166
Joined: 10 May 2002
Location: Springvale
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| stoliboy wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | Bucks said Cloke will play vs Hawks.
You Bloody Idiot Bucks. Bring him in for a Dead Rubber and Stop the VFL Having best Chance of Winning the Flag.
Another Reason to think Bucks is a Usless Coach |
Dave, we are an AFL club and one AFL H&A win matters more than a VFL premiership. Once you are prepared to trade off the AFL for VFL wins, you might as well shut up shop as a club.
I wan the VFL to win everything they enter, and I'll be delighted if they win a premiership - as long as the best 22 are picked in the AFL side, first. I would expect T Cloke to feel the same. |
This is the attitude that makes me despair about the shape of things to come.
The mechanical and analytical response is to say play Cloke in the AFL this week. Fits in with the professional aspect of the game.
But he won't be there next year and it will makes not one iota
of difference if we win this week.
The passionate response is to play Cloke in the VFL this week.
It is what a lot of supporters would want.
But sentiment has no place at Collingwood this week.
It is why being a supporter is difficult to get excited about.
Cloke is gone and it would be great to see him win a VFL flag.
But the system demands otherwise.
I Don't blame the club for doing the professional thing.
But it stinks. |
How about some of our young players winning a VFL Premiership? What would that do for our development?
Part of out 1990 Premiership win was based around our younger players winning a lower grade premiership a few years earlier. |
and Willy in 2003 with Swanny, Maxwell etc
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