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Pies4shaw 
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| Chris Mayne's mum, maybe? |
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MatthewBoydFanClub
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| masoncox wrote: | Lost that game at the selection table.
The playing it safe meant picking two plodders.
Plodders don't win matches.
Crap effort Buckley! |
No we didn't. Both Mayne and Blair were fine. That's not why we lost. The reason we lost was Caddy grabbed hold of us in the third quarter. Riewoldt was always threatening and when Aish went down, we ran out of options. The total at the end didn't reflect the difference between the two sides, but by all means look for scapegoats to blame for the loss. |
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Pies4shaw
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| Blair was fine. I don't think Mayne was - but if he was going to get a game, this was the week. |
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masoncox
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| BucksIsFutureCoach wrote: | | masoncox wrote: | Lost that game at the selection table.
The playing it safe meant picking two plodders.
Plodders don't win matches.
Crap effort Buckley! |
No we didn't. Both Mayne and Blair were fine. That's not why we lost. The reason we lost was Caddy grabbed hold of us in the third quarter. Riewoldt was always threatening and when Aish went down, we ran out of options. The total at the end didn't reflect the difference between the two sides, but by all means look for scapegoats to blame for the loss. |
Seriously, the motto "who dares wins" didn't apply to this weeks selection.
That is what it is about. |
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MatthewBoydFanClub
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| masoncox wrote: | | BucksIsFutureCoach wrote: | | masoncox wrote: | Lost that game at the selection table.
The playing it safe meant picking two plodders.
Plodders don't win matches.
Crap effort Buckley! |
No we didn't. Both Mayne and Blair were fine. That's not why we lost. The reason we lost was Caddy grabbed hold of us in the third quarter. Riewoldt was always threatening and when Aish went down, we ran out of options. The total at the end didn't reflect the difference between the two sides, but by all means look for scapegoats to blame for the loss. |
Seriously, the motto "who dares wins" didn't apply to this weeks selection.
That is what it is about. |
You see what you want to see which lines up with your preconceived ideas of Mayne and Blair and your views on the coach and selections. If Mayne and Blair hadn't been selected who would you have wanted to have picked instead? Would McLarty, Fasolo, Daicos or Wells have made any difference to the result? I don't think so. We lost because of a breakdown of team discipline and running out of legs in the last quarter. Personally I think Blair offered a bit to the team today, Mayne not as much. That's about as much as you can say, not that team selections were the cause of us losing, that's drawing a really long bow. |
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masoncox
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^^^
would any side ever want one of these players?
The answer is absolutely not.
They are not AFL players.
Play the kids or play known match winners in Wells and Faz.
But play Blair and Mayne instead?
What is the point.
Build a team to win a flag and not a team to get a middle of
the road result. |
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FWIW: given Buckley's unhappiness with the team's defending, Eade said it was odd that Zorko was not tagged.
The difference between tagging and not seems to me bigger now because of the way the game is played. In the past, even if someone wasn't tagged, he'd have a direct opponent. Now, it's often hard to see who is supposedly playing on whom, because they're hardly anywhere near each other. (So this gets back to the discussion in the "prior opportunity" thread about how the game 'should' be played from a spectator viewpoint.)
Update: it was Steele who was supposed to be Zorko's opponent. |
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K
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| Quote: | Collingwood coach Nathan Buckey says the Magpies can't afford to worry too much about stopping Geelong's talent-laden midfield by using taggers.
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Ablett has racked up the touches against the Pies in the past, with the star amassing 41, 49 and 53 disposals against Buckley's side for the Gold Coast in games since 2012.
"I suppose there was a bit of a discussion about it during the week around the Brisbane game, do you back your system or are you tagging?" Buckley said.
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"Steele [Sidebottom] was doing run-with roles early in the year and was beaten by [Dayne] Zorko in the midfield last week in that role but we can’t tag all of those players, we can’t cover all of those players one-on-one. But we can enforce a game style that we think suits us and takes away from the opposition."
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https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/bucks-unlikely-to-budge-on-taggers-20180511-p4zeth.html |
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Pies2016
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^^^
I completely get where Buckley is coming from on this.
Generally, I’m not a fan of tagging because you are automatically asking a player not to make the ball his sole objective.
As I have posted before, it also has a domino effect on your structures.
It’s funny how every time a player chalks up big mid field numbers, Bucks is criticised for not playing a tag ( as opposed to run with )
You never hear any one saying “ just as well Bucks didn’t tag X player “ after a win.
And if you are going down the Mitchell path as a response, then remind yourself how well the Dees did a number on Mitchell ... and still got smashed because Omeara and Shiels ( 30 each ) became extras at every stoppage.
Tagging will never be any different, you win some and lose some. |
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masoncox
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| Don' tthink Bux shined at the strategy table tonite |
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MemberNo118
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| That was like 2016 & 2017. |
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K
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Meanwhile at Hawthorn...
Alastair Clarkson (on 3AW):
"You have a game like last night, you get pretty disappointed with your own coaching. You just wonder whether or not at some point in time this group of players is going to be better served with a different coach."
"I want to sit down and make sure we use the fullness of the next two years to work out if it's the best thing for the football club that I'm the bloke that continues to take charge." |
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think positive 
Side By Side
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In a heart beat! Yes please!
Director of football??
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You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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Pies2016
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| masoncox wrote: | | Don' tthink Bux shined at the strategy table tonite |
Rather than generic throw away lines, I would genuinely appreciate knowing what Buckley should have done to change the result.
Drop Mayne ?
Play a different game style to the one that won us 4 of our last 5 games ?
Send Phillips and Moore back on the ground anyway ? |
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masoncox
masoncox
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| Pies2016 wrote: | | masoncox wrote: | | Don' tthink Bux shined at the strategy table tonite |
Rather than generic throw away lines, I would genuinely appreciate knowing what Buckley should have done to change the result.
Drop Mayne ?
Play a different game style to the one that won us 4 of our last 5 games ?
Send Phillips and Moore back on the ground anyway ? |
From the moment the ball bounced we had a 5 and sometimes 4 man forward line that played high up.
How many times was a man running thru the midfield and when he looked up there was nobody there.
A bit of man on man in our forward line would not have went astrayed.
When De Goey went deep forward just after half time things got better.
Cats pressed up big time to smother our ball movement
We changed nothing because Bux doesn't have a plan B. |
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