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Piesnchess
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Joined: 09 Jun 2008
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| woftam wrote: | | jackcass wrote: | | woftam wrote: | | Member 7167 wrote: | I am over this zonal defence crap. You don't win games because you can mimic a seagull. We were playing man on man for a few earlier games and we were playing better footy and were gaining moment. Since we have gone back to the zonal crap we have lost our competitive edge.
How many times do we have to witness a Pies player standing 10m from an opposition player. Then to see the ball kicked to the opposition player who takes an easy uncontested mark. Seconds later the Pies player arrives to stand on the mark and flap his arms in the air. The same is repeated over and over again every game. When we have possession they man up on us, apply pressure and as a result our ball handling skill are appalling.
A member of our coaching staff needs to come to the conclusion that "IT DOES NOT WORK" and go back to man on man football. |
Kind of obvious isn't it? |
We went more man on man at times during the game and it allowed them to move the ball the length of the ground taking easy uncontested lead up marks. |
They took uncontested marks most of the time because we let them be by themselves. The ones that got bunt off on the lead only gave token resistance. None of those efforts were a legitamate attempt to spoil & turn the ball over. The effort just was not there. |
Yeah, spot on, or to quote my older bro "Bascially , we ran around in circles like headless chooks. !". Bout sums it up.  
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rocketronnie
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
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Pathetic effort. No Plan B. No spark. No flair. No win.
The Bombers have certainly gone past us now.
Not surprising as they have a real coach in charge.
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eddiesmith 
Lets get ready to Rumble
Joined: 22 Nov 2004
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| jackcass wrote: | | eddiesmith wrote: | So do people still think things are good at Collingwood? Still think we are a chance of beating anyone?
Lot of anger for a result that anyone with both eyes open could see coming from a mile away, simple fact the last 5-6 weeks we have been shit and it wont just turn around overnight, something is amiss. |
I think long term we'll be fine. Fantastic young list. Wasn't confident going into today but even so that performance was way worse than expected. Seems to be a lack of confidence and I'm not sure how quickly that can turn around. Might be next game, might be 2015. Time will tell. |
That's what's so hard to understand, the list is great. We have a couple of key injuries but the talent overall and still on the park is better than the effort seen over the last 6-8 weeks.
I worked Sunday and wasn't disappointed because I knew it was going to go badly based on what we have shown in recent weeks and Essendons improving form. But I aslo didn't expect us to be that bad, it was something like an hour between goals at one stage? |
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Mr. Burns
Joined: 20 Jul 2006
Location: Springfield Nuclear Power Plant
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| rocketronnie wrote: | Pathetic effort. No Plan B. No spark. No flair. No win.
The Bombers have certainly gone past us now.
Not surprising as they have a real coach in charge. |
if I remember correctly it took Bomber a few years to get his tactics right and even survived an internal review before they became a successful team.
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Piesnchess
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| rocketronnie wrote: | Pathetic effort. No Plan B. No spark. No flair. No win.
The Bombers have certainly gone past us now.
Not surprising as they have a real coach in charge. |
 Who, Peptide Hird, hes coming back ya know. 
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Duff Soviet Union
Joined: 16 Aug 2010
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| eddiesmith wrote: | | jackcass wrote: | | eddiesmith wrote: | So do people still think things are good at Collingwood? Still think we are a chance of beating anyone?
Lot of anger for a result that anyone with both eyes open could see coming from a mile away, simple fact the last 5-6 weeks we have been shit and it wont just turn around overnight, something is amiss. |
I think long term we'll be fine. Fantastic young list. Wasn't confident going into today but even so that performance was way worse than expected. Seems to be a lack of confidence and I'm not sure how quickly that can turn around. Might be next game, might be 2015. Time will tell. |
That's what's so hard to understand, the list is great. We have a couple of key injuries but the talent overall and still on the park is better than the effort seen over the last 6-8 weeks.
I worked Sunday and wasn't disappointed because I knew it was going to go badly based on what we have shown in recent weeks and Essendons improving form. But I aslo didn't expect us to be that bad, it was something like an hour between goals at one stage? |
No it isn't. One truly elite midfielder, another couple of really good ones (Beams, Sidebottom), one fading champ, one sometimes dominant and sometimes invisible key forward, one other excellent key position player (who can't get on the park this year), a few kids who we hope (emphasis on hope) can become good and...that's it pretty much. Everyone else is average or below. It's a pretty average list.
The only difference making injury has been Reid. Everyone else has been eminently replaceable, so that excuse doesn't really hold water.
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Museman
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| Duff Soviet Union wrote: | | eddiesmith wrote: | | jackcass wrote: | | eddiesmith wrote: | So do people still think things are good at Collingwood? Still think we are a chance of beating anyone?
Lot of anger for a result that anyone with both eyes open could see coming from a mile away, simple fact the last 5-6 weeks we have been shit and it wont just turn around overnight, something is amiss. |
I think long term we'll be fine. Fantastic young list. Wasn't confident going into today but even so that performance was way worse than expected. Seems to be a lack of confidence and I'm not sure how quickly that can turn around. Might be next game, might be 2015. Time will tell. |
That's what's so hard to understand, the list is great. We have a couple of key injuries but the talent overall and still on the park is better than the effort seen over the last 6-8 weeks.
I worked Sunday and wasn't disappointed because I knew it was going to go badly based on what we have shown in recent weeks and Essendons improving form. But I aslo didn't expect us to be that bad, it was something like an hour between goals at one stage? |
No it isn't. One truly elite midfielder, another couple of really good ones (Beams, Sidebottom), one fading champ, one sometimes dominant and sometimes invisible key forward, one other excellent key position player (who can't get on the park this year), a few kids who we hope (emphasis on hope) can become good and...that's it pretty much. Everyone else is average or below. It's a pretty average list.
The only difference making injury has been Reid. Everyone else has been eminently replaceable, so that excuse doesn't really hold water. |
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jackcass 
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
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| Mr. Burns wrote: | | rocketronnie wrote: | Pathetic effort. No Plan B. No spark. No flair. No win.
The Bombers have certainly gone past us now.
Not surprising as they have a real coach in charge. |
if I remember correctly it took Bomber a few years to get his tactics right and even survived an internal review before they became a successful team. |
Exactly! |
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jackcass
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AN_Inkling
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| Museman wrote: | | Duff Soviet Union wrote: | | eddiesmith wrote: | | jackcass wrote: | | eddiesmith wrote: | So do people still think things are good at Collingwood? Still think we are a chance of beating anyone?
Lot of anger for a result that anyone with both eyes open could see coming from a mile away, simple fact the last 5-6 weeks we have been shit and it wont just turn around overnight, something is amiss. |
I think long term we'll be fine. Fantastic young list. Wasn't confident going into today but even so that performance was way worse than expected. Seems to be a lack of confidence and I'm not sure how quickly that can turn around. Might be next game, might be 2015. Time will tell. |
That's what's so hard to understand, the list is great. We have a couple of key injuries but the talent overall and still on the park is better than the effort seen over the last 6-8 weeks.
I worked Sunday and wasn't disappointed because I knew it was going to go badly based on what we have shown in recent weeks and Essendons improving form. But I aslo didn't expect us to be that bad, it was something like an hour between goals at one stage? |
No it isn't. One truly elite midfielder, another couple of really good ones (Beams, Sidebottom), one fading champ, one sometimes dominant and sometimes invisible key forward, one other excellent key position player (who can't get on the park this year), a few kids who we hope (emphasis on hope) can become good and...that's it pretty much. Everyone else is average or below. It's a pretty average list.
The only difference making injury has been Reid. Everyone else has been eminently replaceable, so that excuse doesn't really hold water. |
yes. |
No. Not even close.
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Duff Soviet Union
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| AN_Inkling wrote: | | Museman wrote: | | Duff Soviet Union wrote: | | eddiesmith wrote: | | jackcass wrote: | | eddiesmith wrote: | So do people still think things are good at Collingwood? Still think we are a chance of beating anyone?
Lot of anger for a result that anyone with both eyes open could see coming from a mile away, simple fact the last 5-6 weeks we have been shit and it wont just turn around overnight, something is amiss. |
I think long term we'll be fine. Fantastic young list. Wasn't confident going into today but even so that performance was way worse than expected. Seems to be a lack of confidence and I'm not sure how quickly that can turn around. Might be next game, might be 2015. Time will tell. |
That's what's so hard to understand, the list is great. We have a couple of key injuries but the talent overall and still on the park is better than the effort seen over the last 6-8 weeks.
I worked Sunday and wasn't disappointed because I knew it was going to go badly based on what we have shown in recent weeks and Essendons improving form. But I aslo didn't expect us to be that bad, it was something like an hour between goals at one stage? |
No it isn't. One truly elite midfielder, another couple of really good ones (Beams, Sidebottom), one fading champ, one sometimes dominant and sometimes invisible key forward, one other excellent key position player (who can't get on the park this year), a few kids who we hope (emphasis on hope) can become good and...that's it pretty much. Everyone else is average or below. It's a pretty average list.
The only difference making injury has been Reid. Everyone else has been eminently replaceable, so that excuse doesn't really hold water. |
yes. |
No. Not even close. |
Care to name names? Please don't say "Sinclair".
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What'sinaname 
Joined: 29 May 2010
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Our list isn't great at all.
None of our backman would make an AA team. We only have two forwards with any class, Cloke and Elliot. Our midfield has three great players, Pendles, Beams and Sidey, the rest are nowhere near great.
In all, we have, at best, 4 great players, 5 if you include Cloke and 6 if you add Reid, bit I wouldn't include them as Cloke has been more terrible than good and Reid hasn't played a game.
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Pies4shaw 
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| Beams isn't a "great" player. He's a slow outside mid who mostly just kicks down the line. He sometimes makes a damaging contribution when he kicks goals but is otherwise a solid, rather than top, player. |
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Dave The Man 
Joined: 01 Apr 2005
Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | Beams isn't a "great" player. He's a slow outside mid who mostly just kicks down the line. He sometimes makes a damaging contribution when he kicks goals but is otherwise a solid, rather than top, player. |
He was the Copeland Trophy Winner in 2012
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Lazza
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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| Museman wrote: | | us realists should just piss off and support someone else..... why? because that's the best the glass half full mob can muster. |
Best post for a while. If you think it was "realistic" that we would win every bloody game by 10 goals, have the best team while we are developing a team under Bucks, if you didn't know that developing teams do have ups and downs/highs and lows/inclines and declines, I hate to break this to you but YOUR realistic expectations are actually totally unattainable, and they only ever set us up for failure. That's when the likes of you can go on your marauding distaste of anything and everything you supposedly love, Collingwood.  
Your best ever comment was that your particular "realistic" types should just piss off and support someone else. PLEASE DO.....  |
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