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AN_Inkling
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For those saying that our draw makes it difficult to say how much we've improved. Sure. But we have definitely improved. Consistently beating the lower teams, even with a significant injury list is no small feat - just look at recent upsets.
On expectations, the season so far is a big tick. The task from here, as it was from the beginning, is to make finals. The challenge against the top teams will tell us whether we are a Premiership threat, but that was never the pass mark for this year. And honestly, if we are a Premiership threat with the injuries we've had then it's a truly remarkable season.
If we make finals then it's a successful year. To go further raises Bucks's esteem that much more. And it is Bucks that must receive the credit. Support staff changes are irrelevant just as they were when we were struggling or in 2010. It's the head coach who lives or dies on the results, he gets all blame and all credit, the rest are there to support him. _________________ Well done boys! |
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RudeBoy
Joined: 28 Nov 2005
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AN_Inkling wrote: | For those saying that our draw makes it difficult to say how much we've improved. Sure. But we have definitely improved. Consistently beating the lower teams, even with a significant injury list is no small feat - just look at recent upsets.
On expectations, the season so far is a big tick. The task from here, as it was from the beginning, is to make finals. The challenge against the top teams will tell us whether we are a Premiership threat, but that was never the pass mark for this year. And honestly, if we are a Premiership threat with the injuries we've had then it's a truly remarkable season.
If we make finals then it's a successful year. To go further raises Bucks's esteem that much more. And it is Bucks that must receive the credit. Support staff changes are irrelevant just as they were when we were struggling or in 2010. It's the head coach who lives or dies on the results, he gets all blame and all credit, the rest are there to support him. |
Tru dat. |
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piedys
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Joined: 04 Sep 2003 Location: Resident Forum Psychopath since 2003
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Put it this way; I wouldn't be trying that no-interchanges-for-twenty-minutes bullshit again, against the Dopers next week... _________________ M I L L A N E 4 2 forever |
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Side By Side
Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Location: somewhere
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All I know is, its been one hell of a ride and Im glad Im still on it!
God I love footy! _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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MightyMagpie
Joined: 04 Jun 2013 Location: WA
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RudeBoy wrote: | AN_Inkling wrote: | For those saying that our draw makes it difficult to say how much we've improved. Sure. But we have definitely improved. Consistently beating the lower teams, even with a significant injury list is no small feat - just look at recent upsets.
On expectations, the season so far is a big tick. The task from here, as it was from the beginning, is to make finals. The challenge against the top teams will tell us whether we are a Premiership threat, but that was never the pass mark for this year. And honestly, if we are a Premiership threat with the injuries we've had then it's a truly remarkable season.
If we make finals then it's a successful year. To go further raises Bucks's esteem that much more. And it is Bucks that must receive the credit. Support staff changes are irrelevant just as they were when we were struggling or in 2010. It's the head coach who lives or dies on the results, he gets all blame and all credit, the rest are there to support him. |
Tru dat. |
+1. Even that black duck weathervane would have to agree. _________________ All We Can Be |
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Pie-For-Life
Joined: 24 Mar 2016
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Absolutely we have improved on last year, mostly have beaten all the teams we should have, lost a couple of tough close games. I'm happy, go pies |
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007 Location: Between London and Melbourne
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MightyMagpie wrote: |
+1. Even that black duck weathervane would have to agree. |
Hes disappeared. I think the wolf got him. But somehow I think hell be back at the first stumble. _________________ Two more flags before I die! |
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Jezza
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Joined: 05 Sep 2010 Location: Ponsford End
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AN_Inkling wrote: | For those saying that our draw makes it difficult to say how much we've improved. Sure. But we have definitely improved. Consistently beating the lower teams, even with a significant injury list is no small feat - just look at recent upsets.
On expectations, the season so far is a big tick. The task from here, as it was from the beginning, is to make finals. The challenge against the top teams will tell us whether we are a Premiership threat, but that was never the pass mark for this year. And honestly, if we are a Premiership threat with the injuries we've had then it's a truly remarkable season.
If we make finals then it's a successful year. To go further raises Bucks's esteem that much more. And it is Bucks that must receive the credit. Support staff changes are irrelevant just as they were when we were struggling or in 2010. It's the head coach who lives or dies on the results, he gets all blame and all credit, the rest are there to support him. |
I agree with all of this.
A year ago we were 5-9 after another honourable loss to Hawthorn and we plunged into the bottom 4. A year later we're now 2nd on the ladder and beating sides we should be beating and we've improved as a playing group.
The turnaround in the last 12 months has been exciting to watch. I felt after we lost to Essendon and went 5-10 after round 16 is when the turning point started despite it being subtle initially. The last seven games of the 2017 season was the starting point of our turnaround when we won four, drew 1 and lost 2 games and actually showed some encouraging signs. The club held its nerve to re-sign Buckley and change up the majority of our coaching assistants.
We've done well to get this far and I think for most supporters, making the finals would have been a pass mark or at the very minimum we needed to win more games than last year which we've now achieved. Anything beyond that is a bonus especially with our injury list mounting. _________________ | 1902 | 1903 | 1910 | 1917 | 1919 | 1927 | 1928 | 1929 | 1930 | 1935 | 1936 | 1953 | 1958 | 1990 | 2010 | 2023 | |
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007 Location: Between London and Melbourne
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its easy to be too literal about this kind of issue. We are top of the AFL injury list, and it is quite possible that Buckley will coach out of his skin next Sunday and well get beaten. Equally, our playing list has matured massively compared to two years ago. The context matters. _________________ Two more flags before I die! |
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qldmagpie67
Joined: 18 Dec 2008
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Second on the ladder and with the most injuries who would have thought.
When I began this thread it was more to do with optimism of what we saw late 2017 and hope of continual improvement in 2018.
So is Buckley coaching better ?
Maybe but I'll offer a different view
I think Buckley has learned his lessons well. He's much more relaxed and that appears to have rubbed off on the group. He's also deligating more and is now happy to let an assistant take the reigns as he sees fit.
The additions to the coaching group seem to be very good fits. Boyd recently out of the game and a player who got everything out of his ability. Hocking a known tough nut and a guy who says it like it is but understands the balance. Sanderson a long time trusted confidant and a highly recognised footy mind. Longmuir a defensive specialist who has been long touted as a smart footy mind as well.
As important as all these pieces are and have clicked I think the defining factor lays elsewhere.
We parted ways with leading teams and the club said the relationship had run it's course. We may have learned some stuff form them only those on the inside know but I think the coach and group matured past needing a "outsider" setting the dialogue and guiding the culture.
Enter Nick Maxwell who's defined job seems to be anything the club needs. Now Maxy was never a star but I doubt any pies supporter would find a tougher competitor and more loyal pies man in the past 2 decades.
Now Maxy was originally brought in for "leadership" but that wasn't defined to just the playing group. We see Maxy with the headphones on on the sidelines. He is the voice of the coach to the players during the heat of battle and his respect earned as a premiership captain makes the message received by the players concise and respected.
Maxy has many admirable traits but the playing group seem to have developed a level of trust in him that appears to be vital.
Players like Pendles Sidey Adams will learn from his experiences as captain. The young and developing players especially the likes of Scharenberg Phillips Thomas will learn that hard work and getting the best from yourself is the only way to a successful long career.
The George Clooney movie the perfect storm seems to be the best analogy of our season.
We've had set backs but over come them. We've developed a style and plan that suits the players we have. We've backed the players and especially the leaders to express themselves free from the burden of fear of failure.
We should make finals and at the beginning of the season that was most people's pass mark. Had I told you we would have 14 injured players including Elliott Moore Varcoe Wells Reid Aish Dunn Trelaor Goldie Faz I doubt many would have thought we would be in contention. Yes Dunn Trelaor are recent injuries but the others have been more long term.
We've lost 1 player inserted another and gone on about the business. Players have been asked to perform different roles not normally in there wheelhouse. Selfless acts like those shown by the skipper and Sidey early on set a tone no one is bigger than the team.
Kudo's to all those involved whatever the review did it seems to have galvanised the club and at a minimum set a standard we must now consider a minimum expectation |
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RudeBoy
Joined: 28 Nov 2005
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.....and Bucks is clearly a very good coach. |
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watt price tully
Joined: 15 May 2007
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I'm one who wanted Bucks and ED gone and wanted renewal.
Renewal has occured and Bucks has been given an extension. Bucks has stopped mico-managing (god I wish my mangers would learn the same) and has learned to delegate and trust others.
Everyting looks rosy when you win and it's easier to win when you have a stable team. However with three injuries in successive matches to key players Buckleys coaching will be put to the test in the up & coming weeks.
Off the field, I think if they change the name of Human Resources to People and Culture (as they have done with my employers) then this will make a huge difference to how we play. _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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watt price tully wrote: | I'm one who wanted Bucks and ED gone and wanted renewal.
Renewal has occured and Bucks has been given an extension. Bucks has stopped mico-managing (god I wish my mangers would learn the same) and has learned to delegate and trust others.
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No chance. You work in Public Health. The micro managing starts in the premiers officer and flows down. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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tbaker
Joined: 02 Jul 2018 Location: Q19 Southern Stand MCG
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I am new to this forum, but am surprised at how divisive this topic is. I think we are all on the one page in that we all want him to succeed. Hopefully we've turned the corner... |
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K
Joined: 09 Sep 2011
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^ Golly, tb, this is actually Nicks in ultracalm mode.
You should see it when Nicksters are all in a bad mood... |
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