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Cmon Get Real, We Won't Get Caracella

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leonmagic Pisces



Joined: 16 Aug 2004


PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:18 pm
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Dermie has said time and time again that they will be getting a kid in the PSD.
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Cam Capricorn

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:25 pm
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Over 25 and is a hack that is. Caracella for all his skunkness is no hack.

Hawthorn's Youth Policy
- Keep membership up by looking like doing something positive.
- Piss off old hacks
- Piss off no-so-old hacks
- Piss off old hack coaches
- Free up cap
- Draft talent in the ND
- Draft talent in the PSD
- Keep membership up by looking like doing something positive.

As D9 so aptly put it they have plenty of room for the skunk. He is classy and would help them with their first and last priorities which is to keep the members happy by looking like they are doing something positive.

Also - as if you believe Brereton on any subject. He is a lie wrapped in a mistruth.

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Joel Capricorn



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:01 am
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Don't forget the rumoured deal we did with the Hawks in regards to our picks.
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Joined: 26 Jul 2000


PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:41 am
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the real reason why hawks wont take caracella is simple

they are trying to keep there salary cap open for the end of next year

the have still a few players in there system that they tried offloading this year e.g barker, holland and a few others which will happen next year now

they want a healthy opening in there salary cam in order to have a crack at Judd next year

the dont want to add caracella to a two year contract hence taking up room for them

they realise they will struggle next year and he doesnt fit the bill long term

the pies have also front loaded a few contracts so they are in a similar position next year as well

we have loads of room to move next year even if we pick up caracella
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 8:08 am
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Very good to hear member (on Caracella and our cap position). I'm even more confident the Hawks won't take him after training with them yesterday. Plenty of young kids from VFL training with them (Bailey, Height etc) and no older players at all. Clarkson seems hell bent on youth.
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Daks Libra



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 8:32 am
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d9 tank wrote:
Clarkson seems hell bent on youth.


As Malthouse was at the end of 2000. Youth is pretty much the only way to the top - Hawthorn are doing the right thing.

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Cam Capricorn

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:25 am
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Malthouse did 'go for youth', got rid of old hacks and then he recruited...

Wakelin, Molloy, Steinfort, Rintoul, Cummings & Woewodin

You still need experienced players to create a structure to get the most out of youth. What you do is get a crop of say 15 kids over a 2 or 3 year period that you think will take you somewhere and you play them together.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:13 am
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Cam misses Cummings I can see it in his eyes.
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Daks Libra



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:50 am
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Cam wrote:
Malthouse did 'go for youth', got rid of old hacks and then he recruited...

Wakelin, Molloy, Steinfort, Rintoul, Cummings & Woewodin


Yeah, and out of those players, only Wakelin and Woewodin have been useful to us. Sure Molloy and Steinfort were good, but we only really got one average year out of Molloy and one good finals series out of Steinfort. Drafting hacks to help back up the youth might work, but how much you get out of those hacks is very limited. In 2000, 2001 and 2002 our kids carried us pretty much the whole way, which explains the second half fadeouts.

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Cam Capricorn

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:23 pm
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But it was the thought behind it that was important Daks. Hindsight is great.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:53 pm
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If we're talking hindsight Adrian Fletcher would have been the better pick than Cummings
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 3:26 pm
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Cam wrote:
Malthouse did 'go for youth', got rid of old hacks and then he recruited...

Wakelin, Molloy, Steinfort, Rintoul, Cummings & Woewodin

You still need experienced players to create a structure to get the most out of youth. What you do is get a crop of say 15 kids over a 2 or 3 year period that you think will take you somewhere and you play them together.


That is what Clarkson (I feel) won't do, and it may end up being the area where he falls. You need the experianced hard bodied players to help back you up. He may not have that next year.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 8:08 am
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3rd degree wrote:
If we're talking hindsight Adrian Fletcher would have been the better pick than Cummings


I didn't need hindsight to know that Fletcher would have been a better option than Cummings; I said it at the time. And, I also said that, if Fletcher had been chosen instead, we would have won the 2002 flag.

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Cam Capricorn

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:51 am
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Hawthorn still has the likes of Crawford, Mitchell, Spider, Hay, Dixon, Hodge, Barker (if he's over his injuries), Bateman, Brown, Croad, Jacobs, Smith & Vanderberg. If they get their kids AND a couple of vets they will be happy to develop as well as being more competitive this year.

It's not a done deal until it's a done deal.

At least he won't go back to scumdom though.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 11:48 am
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Cam, I will put it simple for you. I don't want him in black & white so we will get him. Razz
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