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bally12 Aquarius



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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2016 9:33 pm
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BucksIsFutureCoach wrote:
Aish played a great last quarter. He should be judged on what he is capable of producing, not the shit he dished up in the first three quarters.


There was one play where, from the stands only, you could see his football smarts.
He had taken possession of the ball on the wing, and 50m ahead Crocker was free, with an opponent fast approaching. Aish summed up that if he went back on the mark, it would be too late and too far to get the ball to Crocker on time. He needed to take on the man on the mark, not get caught and kick it long under pressure to Crocker. He took on his man, somehow slipped him when looking like he was going to get tackled, and kicked it long and perfectly to Crocker...just in time.

A glimpse of things to come.
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2016 9:40 pm
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Starting to lose contested ball which was a major strength. Clearances are a problem but quality makes it worse most times our centre clearances are ineffective yet the oppositions are clean and the ball is 30m out and our defence under enormous pressure. There are many times I think it's work rate. We got to get down and dirty. The other thing is with our stagnant ball movement again it's down to work rate. Hardly see players busting their guts to provide an option and those long and repeat leads to give someone a target and provide some space. Most of our guys lead for 10m then throw their hands in the air.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 3:04 pm
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The clock is ticking for Collingwood coach Nathan Buckley

Wayne Carey
May 12 2016

There have been a lot of questions asked this week about Collingwood and the man in charge, Nathan Buckley.

What most people want to know is – can Nathan Buckley coach? What's his relationship like with his players? And why isn't his message getting through to them?

It's been a tough week for Bucks, and made tougher by his predecessor Mick Malthouse saying he left the club in 2011 with a playing list that was good enough to create a 'mini-dynasty' for Collingwood.

Like many other footy fans, I've been weighing up these questions in my mind: why have the Pies been such a major disappointment and lost 14 of their past 18 matches?

It wasn't till I looked at this issue more closely, and delved a bit more deeply into it, that I came away with some meaningful answers.

Without wanting to kick blokes when they're down, I know Bucks would have expected more this season from Nathan Brown, a former top-10 draft pick, and Travis Cloke, a two-time All-Australian. As senior players they've both underperformed and left big holes in defence and attack.

The Magpies' defence has had no continuity at all through the season; because of injury, they've barely been able to field the same back six from one week to another. And that's a recipe for disaster, because that defensive team within a team needs stability. They need to be predictable and reliable to each other and that can only happen when they play games together.

Marley Williams, Tom Langdon, Travis Varcoe, Ben Sinclair and Jackson Ramsay are among the group that have missed chunks of the season through injury. Throw in Brown's poor form, and you can see why the Pies are leaking goals.

The lack of cohesion and understanding with one another causes the game plan to break down. Players don't make position, they lose the courage to run and that means the guy with the ball, who is looking for options upfield, can find himself under a lot of pressure. That is part of the reason for the poor disposal coming out of the Collingwood backline.

Only eight Pies have played every game this year, the lowest figure of any club. It's hard to get a system together when a different squad of 22 takes the field each week; that can take its toll.

Up forward, with Cloke out of form, and Jamie Elliott injured, they're relying on young Darcy Moore to be the go-to man and that's a big ask for a second-year player. Having said that, though, he seems to have a bit of strut and confidence about him, and the look of someone who's going to be a star.

The absence of Dane Swan has hurt their scoring power, too. So in assessing the forward line and back line, I think there are clear reasons why they've underperformed. But it's the midfield where Buckley has encountered many unexpected problems. And here there is no excuse whatsoever.

With the recruitment of Adam Treloar, Levi Greenwood, James Aish and Taylor Adams in the past two years, hopes were high that the Pies had enough midfield talent and depth to play, and win, finals this year.

This is an area where they haven't had key injuries, except for Swan's. But this group has lacked the hunger and discipline that's required to win games at this level. Their total clearances is the third worst in the league after seven rounds and their work at stoppages is equally bad, being the second worst behind Gold Coast.

This is where Bucks will feel let down; the midfield has been a big disappointment so far. So the question remains: can Nathan Buckley coach? The jury's still out and we'll get a much better idea in the next eight to 10 weeks. Of course, given his status at Collingwood, he's been given longer to prove himself as coach than if he was, say, Snowy off the trams. But I believe he's earned that privilege.

He is on the clock, though. He's been doing the job for five years and a lot of people now want to start seeing results. As my old coach Denis Pagan used to say, we're in the results business: all that matters is the number of Ws and Ls beside your name.

I must say what I admire about Bucks is the way he never shies away from his doubters or critics. He's always up for the challenge. So while he'll be making big demands on his team, no one at Collingwood will be working harder than him to try and resurrect this season.

Clearly this is the biggest challenge he's faced in his coaching career, maybe his football career full stop. My understanding is that his relationship with his players is still strong, despite the stresses of this season, so that's a positive.

But the spotlight, and the pressure, will be on Bucks and his team again on Saturday night in Brisbane, ironically against the club where he started his AFL playing career 23 seasons ago.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-clock-is-ticking-for-collingwood-coach-nathan-buckley-20160512-gotdu5.html
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John Wren Virgo

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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 3:08 pm
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does anyone know if snowy of the trams is available?

that article has said nothing that hasn't been put forward here.

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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 3:17 pm
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As written entirely by ghost writer Greg Baum...
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RudeBoy 



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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 3:18 pm
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I couldn't have put it better myself. Wink
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John Wren Virgo

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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 3:20 pm
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rudie, do you have baum on speed dial? did you orchestrate carey's article? Wink
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 3:25 pm
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John Wren wrote:
rudie, do you have baum on speed dial? did you orchestrate carey's article? Wink


I reckon Carey owes me a few bucks for that article. Wink
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mattys123 



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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 3:33 pm
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I'm impressed that Carey can put two words together considering the drug induced stupor he's always in.

But he's not entirely wrong, we are getting killed in the middle;

And in defense

And in attack.

Well done Wayne. Rolling Eyes
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jackcass Cancer



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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 3:35 pm
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John Wren wrote:
does anyone know if snowy of the trams is available?

that article has said nothing that hasn't been put forward here.


And dismissed as rubbish and nothing more than excuses.. go figure.

And this from a man who clearly hates Collingwood.

Clearly Carey hasn't been chatting to Jez07's clique of off-forum advisors otherwise we would have seen a completely different take on all that.
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John Wren Virgo

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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 3:41 pm
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^ that's being saved for next week after we lose to brisbane.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 3:48 pm
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mattys123 wrote:
I'm impressed that Carey can put two words together considering the drug induced stupor he's always in.

But he's not entirely wrong, we are getting killed in the middle;

And in defense

And in attack.

Well done Wayne. Rolling Eyes


A little unfair in my opinion. I think that Carey has turned around his life. He seems to play his role in the media well and has excellent insight. I have been a massive critic of Carey over the years but I think his opinion has validity.

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jackcass Cancer



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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 3:54 pm
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RudeBoy wrote:
I couldn't have put it better myself. Wink


Yep, I'm thinking Carey has been drinking my bath water (or is it koolaid)... should I feel violated?
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 3:58 pm
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Member 7167 wrote:
mattys123 wrote:
I'm impressed that Carey can put two words together considering the drug induced stupor he's always in.

But he's not entirely wrong, we are getting killed in the middle;

And in defense

And in attack.

Well done Wayne. Rolling Eyes


A little unfair in my opinion. I think that Carey has turned around his life. He seems to play his role in the media well and has excellent insight. I have been a massive critic of Carey over the years but I think his opinion has validity.


While I agree it appears he's got his life back on track, I'm not a huge fan of what he has to say in his media work. Flips and flops on the issues too much for mine. Not even too sure he does much more than put his name to these articles.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 4:04 pm
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jackcass wrote:
RudeBoy wrote:
I couldn't have put it better myself. Wink


Yep, I'm thinking Carey has been drinking my bath water (or is it koolaid)... should I feel violated?


Not if KY gel has been applied properly. Embarassed
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