Form ladder 2024

David · Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2024 4:52 pm

I mark them down a bit for the fact they haven't beaten anyone in the top 8 – though came close against us and Port – but also recognise that they've improved significantly over the last month and a bit.

If I were looking at recent form only, I'd probably have them around the same mark as you're suggesting, to be honest.

Pies4shaw · pies4shaw Joined: 08 Oct 2007

Is Essendon still too high?

K · Joined: 09 Sep 2011

David · Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2024 10:53 pm

The issue is that, at this point, all teams below Sydney have stumbled majorly in recent weeks, so it's hard to find teams worthy of being above them. Our formline hasn't been that impressive, objectively, yet I could have put us as high as 2nd if we hadn't gotten so many injuries and been able to defeat Fremantle and the Bulldogs in the last fortnight.

Port Adelaide in 4th seems even weirder to me, but who would you put above them?

David · Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2024 6:16 pm

Round 13

1. Sydney
2. Carlton
3. Collingwood
4. Port Adelaide
5. Geelong
6. GWS
7. Melbourne
8. Fremantle

9. Essendon
10. Brisbane
11. Western Bulldogs
12. Gold Coast
13. Hawthorn
14. Adelaide
15. St. Kilda
16. West Coast
17. Richmond
18. North Melbourne

dalyc · Joined: 02 Mar 2005

At risk of repeating myself, Hawthorn should be just outside the 8

K · Joined: 09 Sep 2011

David · Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2024 8:04 pm

Round 14

1. Sydney
2. Carlton
3. Collingwood
4. Geelong
5. GWS
6. Port Adelaide
7. Melbourne
8. Western Bulldogs

9. Fremantle
10. Brisbane
11. Essendon
12. Gold Coast
13. Hawthorn
14. Adelaide
15. St Kilda
16. West Coast
17. Richmond
18. North Melbourne

For those wondering about Hawthorn’s positioning, I do feel like things are tight from about 8th to 13th and that it wouldn’t take much for them to jump up a few places. But I don’t think you can make a strong argument that any of, say, Brisbane, Essendon or Gold Coast have performed worse.

(For what it’s worth, I never look at the actual ladder before I do this, just results.)

K · Joined: 09 Sep 2011

Media disagree with David. Hugely pro-Hawthorn now. Some claim 2nd behind Sydney! Shocked

David · Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2024 6:02 pm

It's amazing what low expectations can do for a team's perceived performance, lol.

Anyway, just goes to show: form ladder > media hype every time Wink

Pies4shaw · pies4shaw Joined: 08 Oct 2007

^ No-one in reasonable possession of adequate faculties could rate Hawthorn anything much above 10th. The only team in the 8 that they've beaten is GWS (5th), by 6 points at York Park, in the middle of a Giant slump. They've lost to all of Sydney (1st), Essendon (3rd), Collingwood (4th), Geelong (6th) and Port (7th). They haven't played Carlton (2nd) or Fremantle (8th). They've beaten Footscray (9th), lost to the Suns (10th), lost to Melbourne (11th) and beaten the 13th, 15th, 17th and 18th teams (Brisbane, Adelaide, Richmond and North). They're not quite completely hopeless - but they're a way off being likely against teams in the top half of the competition.

Skids · Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 10:46 pm

You're being a tad harsh IMO P4S...I think they're overs at $3.50 to make the 8.

I have them winning at least five of their remaining games, pinch one of the other 4 & 13 wins sneaks into 8th.

If I was doing a form ladder (my view of form is the last 4-6 weeks) I'd have them 6th.
They demolished Richmond last week, beat 5th placed GWS the week prior, Crows by 5 goals, Lions easily the week before & stole defeat from the jaws of victory against Port a month ago.

After the bye they have the worst team in the comp to warm for the remainder.
Mitchell has them playing a nice brand. My bets of the week.

5 units to make the 8 @ $3.90 with the 'boost'.
2 units Hawks top 8/ Pies premiers @ $26.