US election 2020
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| Who do you hope wins the US Election? |
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39% |
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21% |
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David 
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Like him or hate him, one has to admit Sanders has an extraordinarily effective media strategy. I usually pay little mind to political advertising, but this is dynamite:
https://youtu.be/Ikgh4JbAWUU
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Jezza 
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Speaking of effective media strategies, did CNN just help Trump's election campaign 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuzfmxSvnD0
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David
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David
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This reflects something I've realised for a while about Trump's voter base – it's motivated primarily by resentment. I'm not going to try to overreach here (all candidates will have a mix of "positive" and "negative" ads), but the contrast seems clear: in this ad, at least, Trump's victory is framed solely as a way to stick it up the elites who look down on the common man. It's an effective message – who doesn't hate these smug pontificators on cable news? – but is otherwise remarkably content-free, because what it sells is pretty satisfying in its own right. But while owning people may feel good, it doesn't really change anything, and the underlying reasons for all of that resentment are all still in place. Trump can't and won't change any of that, because, even if you buy the story of his economic achievements, nothing he's doing in office is fundamentally changing anything.
While I don't think Sanders can peel that many Trump votes away (I think he stands a better chance with regular non-voters), I do think he has an effective counterpoint to that message: that is, it makes sense that you are resentful, and that you hate the system you're stuck in, and that you feel people look down on you, because it's true: they do. But rather than just vote for the guy who'll epically own your enemies and make them look stupid, vote for ripping up the system that gave them their power in the first place. That's one of the reasons I feel confident about the electoral chances of a Sanders candidacy – he really does share that outsider message, and he can convert that anger into a constructive political agenda.
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Wokko 
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Except Sanders is in no better position to tear up systems than Trump is. The President is far more restricted than most people think he is, he's there to be Commander in Chief and to veto Congress. That's it. Sure there's been a lot of overreach through "Executive Orders" and such but there's still a lot less power than most think.
It's why the whole "Trump is literally Hitler" thing is such a big joke. |
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stui magpie 
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I did some reading on Bloomberg today. Impressive bloke, self made Billionaire and his strategy is all playing out so far.
Spend a few spare $Mil on advertising, avoid the first 4 primaries and getting into fights with other democrats, and make your move on Super Tuesday if Biden or another moderate hasn't put themselves in front.
Bernie doing well is the trigger for Bloomberg to swoop on Super Tuesday and blow the race out of the water. He hasn't thrown a punch in anger yet apart from some TV advertising but he's the bookies 2nd favourite behind Sanders to win the nomination and 3rd favourite to be next POTUS.
Sanders can't beat Trump, Bloomberg could, and that's why Bloomberg will be the nominee if and when he fully enters the race.
Interesting article.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/02/mike-bloomberg-democratic-contested-convention/605956/
| Quote: | | Phil Levine, the former mayor of Miami Beach, told me after Bloomberg’s event in Wynwood that he wasn’t concerned about a blowup. The goal of beating Trump can create its own unity, he argued, and Democrats have to be realistic about the fact that Trump won in 2016. “What makes us think they want to elect a socialist?” |
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David
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I think you underestimate how much people hate Bloomberg. The guy’s pretty much a Batman villain, and while he’s already making a big move in the polls, I think he’ll be a bridge too far for the centre-left Democrat base. The fact that he’s transparently trying to buy this election isn’t exactly going to endear him to all of those voters who are at least able to convince themselves that, say, Biden is basically a decent guy.
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/09/mike-bloomberg-comments-women-metoo/570448/
| Quote: | | From 1996 to 1997, four women filed sexual-harassment or discrimination suits against Bloomberg the company. One of the suits included the following allegation: When Sekiko Sakai Garrison, a sales representative at the company, told Mike Bloomberg she was pregnant, he replied, “Kill it!” (Bloomberg went on, she alleged, to mutter, “Great, No. 16”—a reference, her complaint said, to the 16 women at the company who were then pregnant.) To these allegations, Garrison added another one: Even prior to her pregnancy, she claimed, Bloomberg had antagonized her by making disparaging comments about her appearance and sexual desirability. “What, is the guy dumb and blind?” he is alleged to have said upon seeing her wearing an engagement ring. “What the hell is he marrying you for?” |
What I reckon is more likely is that Bloomberg fails in the primaries, then either tries to steal the nomination at the convention or else runs as a third-party candidate, thus ensuring Trump’s reelection. So he’s definitely a threat in one form or another.
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stui magpie
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The people who support Sanders might hate him, but they also hated Hillary. That worked well. I think you over estimate the amount of centre left support.
I heard Eddie on the radio this morning, he's been in the USA for over a week and from the conversations he's had with a lot of high powered people, he reckons Bloomberg is the only one who can beat trump.
He might also be as old as Biden and Sanders, but he's the only one who can actually point to a record of achievement both in personal and public life.
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David
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| When I say “centre left”, I’m not talking about Sanders supporters. I’m talking about Warren supporters and more than a few Biden, Buttigieg and Klobuchar supporters too – the types who watch CNN and share anti-Trump memes on Facebook, and may well have voted for Clinton last time around. These are people who either don’t like Sanders or don’t think he can win the nomination, and I still don’t think they could stomach a multibillionaire who shows disdain for women and African-Americans and was a Republican a decade ago. The donor class Eddie mingles with might think highly of him, but the average Democrat voter is only going to be lining up behind Bloomberg reluctantly – and if it’s him vs Sanders after Super Tuesday, let’s just say that’ll be a clarifying contest. |
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stui magpie
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From what I read he was a republican for about 8 years because he needed to be, otherwise he's always been a democrat.
He has a CV the others could only dream about. They can say what they would do, he can just point and go, Did that.
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| Wokko wrote: | | pietillidie wrote: | | ^Nothing too embarrassing along with the efforts to turn national damage and decline into greatness? |
Yep, trying to turn around the damage caused by Bush and Obama is admirable. |
Everything about him is Bush, from the billionaire tax cuts, to the wars (trade wars are every bit wars), to the support of religious extremists, to the Axis of Evil, to the imaginary manufacturing boom, to the creation of rubbish jobs, to ill-invested deficit spending, to the deregulation, to the glorying over the skyrocketing market, to the xenophobia, to the mollycoddling of the gun lobby, to the love-in with Saudi Arabia and the Israeli far right and the fossil fuels industry, to the nepotism and appointment of corrupt lackeys, to the endemic corruption of office, to the neglect of productive infrastructure, to the personal ignorance and illiteracy, to daddy's money which started it all.
Who can forget the last "miracle economy" and declaration of "mission accomplished" as Trump voters excitedly elected George W. Bush twice, even as they desperately avoided prosecuting him and his cronies for their crimes?
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| Quote: | | Everything about him is Bush, from the billionaire tax cuts, to the wars (trade wars are every bit wars) |
There is no comparison between Trump trying to screw trade concessions out of the Chinese and the illegal invasion of another country, the killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians, parents losing children and the permanent maiming of young men and women.
This comment is as inane as AFL footballers comparing kicking a piece of cow-skin around to going to war. |
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stui magpie
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| David wrote: | Like him or hate him, one has to admit Sanders has an extraordinarily effective media strategy. I usually pay little mind to political advertising, but this is dynamite:
https://youtu.be/Ikgh4JbAWUU |
Now that I've had a chance to watch it, it reminds me of Shorten's "Big end of town" rhetoric that did not work for him. It's arguing that everyone who isn't part of the 1 % is a victim of that 1%.
Americans, even more than Aussies, are aspirational. That will only fly with the already converted.
Interesting that the backdrop was Bernie sitting down while a younger black man does the work.
I think it's an ad that will (clearly) excite the already converted but aint going to fly.
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pietillidie
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| thesoretoothsayer wrote: | | Quote: | | Everything about him is Bush, from the billionaire tax cuts, to the wars (trade wars are every bit wars) |
There is no comparison between Trump trying to screw trade concessions out of the Chinese and the illegal invasion of another country, the killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians, parents losing children and the permanent maiming of young men and women.
This comment is as inane as AFL footballers comparing kicking a piece of cow-skin around to going to war. |
And Trump voters were so concerned about that at the time they voted for George W. twice, fist pumping as Iraq burned, egging on the fossil fuel nutters as they handed out contracts to steal Iraqi assets and privatise the military. There was no problem at the time, only the glorious spread of freedom.
The same mobs are back at it alright, this time fist waving against Chinese instead of Muslims, even as Trump damages the world economy with impunity. The very same people who voted for George W. twice, and who gloried in his unilateralism and trampling of the UN, also think that Kurds, Chinese, Yemenis, Iranians and developing populations across the world are valueless nothings to be kicked around at whim behind a carefully orchestrated PR stunt to look better than George W. while actually being just as corruptly driven to control markets, pay back criminal sponsors, do deals with supportive authoritarians, and dismantle multilateral organisations such as the WTO — even as military spending soars.
Every thug and dangerous regime on the planet knows what the dismantling of the WTO means, just as every terrorist group on the planet knew what the undermining of the UN meant under George W. No alliances, no mutual wins, no synchronised growth, just victimisation and bullying under the oppression of global economic contraction and targeted economic suffering. Fertile ground to wind up the terrorism merry-go-round once again.
Trump has conned you into thinking nothing violent is going on behind the clown show and draft dodging shame. Chinese families whose livelihoods have been arbitrarily taken from them from one day to the next think otherwise. Iranians think the strategy of decimating their economy to cut them out of the oil market and drive prices up for the US fossil fuels industry and their business partners means otherwise. Yemenis think the alliance between Trump-supported US billionaires in the fossil fuels and arms industries, and Saudi Arabia, means otherwise. Kurds know what quid pro quos with authoritarians mean for them. And the developing world at large, that great pool of suffering peasants, know what Trump's war on world economic growth means for them.
And let's not even start with the war on the environment, the silent gradual killer.
You ought to be very worried that Trump is in bed with the very same corrupt business partners that held George W's hand, this time relying on Trump's clown act rather than George W's blokeyness for PR cover. The fossil fuels industry and the Saudis, among others, couldn't be more pleased with his efforts thus far. Wall Street is loving life once more, especially with the smell of deregulation in the air, as are those who need serious healthcare to be buried once and for all. The arms industry is ecstatic about the soaring military spending. And everyone is supremely confident they can break the law with impunity because, as with corruption under George W., the law definitely won't apply here, either.
Next, comes the massive social security cuts to pay for the massive deficits, even as decent jobs fail to return as promised. But there's an election to win first so the drive to bury the poor is on hold until Trump artificially pumps up the economy some more, depresses world growth further to create capital flight into the US, and does his half time 'mission accomplished' glory act.
The serial bankrupt and petty golf cheat is doing his best to avoid war for the TV cameras, when in fact he's setting us all up for the mother of all wars because he thinks he can puppeteer a world without rules while eating cheeseburgers from his bedroom even as military spending mounts. All it will take is for his pathetic vulnerable ego to be slighted, and he will impulsively light the match himself. But first to elect him twice in the back of his soaring bull market before reality starts breaking through.
We're not even half way through this George W. sequel. Plenty of fist pumping still to come before intermission. The high expectations you have that this episode will turn out better than the first disaster created by the very same film studio, funded by the very same backers, in front of the very same cheering live audience, are admirably hopeful. Surely, endings don't get any worse than that.
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| David wrote: |
This reflects something I've realised for a while about Trump's voter base – it's motivated primarily by resentment. ...... |
Well hello. Not just him but other loonies as well. What else drives rightwing conservative boys?
Freud would have field day 
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