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stui magpie 
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The irish drop bears are the drunks falling out of trees after falling asleep.  
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Morrigu 
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^ don't be silly as if we would waste precious drinking time climbing trees you eejit!
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stui magpie
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You're right. The ground is much safer. You can't fall off.
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| stui magpie wrote: | | You're right. The ground is much safer. You can't fall off. |
As my Irish grandfather used to say, "when that bed comes round again, I'm gonna jump on it".....
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Wokko 
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Mugwump
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Assuming it's true, and this stuff can be misreported, then in a million arrivals from disordered and distressed backgrounds - heck, in a million people from anywhere - you're going to get some aberrant behaviour. I guess the question is whether there is recurrence. The big issue is the identity crisis and the risk of violence that will follow Merkel's policy frolic, not to mention the crisis she has set off across a Europe that was already fracturing, and the succour she has given to those makers of dead children, the people smugglers.
Australia's hardline policy on managing asylum/seekers/illegal migrants is increasingly cited as exemplary across Europe and in mainstream politics in Britain.
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Morrigu
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The Japanese approach!
TOKYO - Japan accepted only 27 refugees last year and rejected almost all applications, officials said Saturday, as rights groups urged the government to allow more people in.
The country has long been nervous about an influx of refugees into its homogeneous society and has tightly restricted the number it accepts.
Of the thousands seeking refugee status, five were Syrian, only three of which were accepted -- a far cry from the massive influx of Syrians into Europe from the war-torn Middle East nation last year.
The justice ministry said it received a record 7,586 refugee applications in 2015, meaning more than 99 percent of requests were rejected.
Other accepted applicants included six from Afghanistan, three Ethiopians and three Sri Lankans
http://m.bangkokpost.com/news/836552?refer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.msn.com%2Fen-au%2Fnews%2Fworld
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| That is something I haven't heard of. |
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Morrigu
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| Wokko wrote: | http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/22/locals-fled-pool-after-migrants-masturbated-into-jacuzzi-defecated-into-kids-pool-molested-bathers/
What great additions to German culture. |
Ah but if any of the good citizens dare to complain or raise an eyebrow at such disgusting behaviour that of course would be the norm and accepted in their countries of origin - yeah right  - they will be smeared with the racist, right wing, Neo nazi label.
When and why have their totally rights evaporated????
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David 
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| Mugwump wrote: | Assuming it's true, and this stuff can be misreported, then in a million arrivals from disordered and distressed backgrounds - heck, in a million people from anywhere - you're going to get some aberrant behaviour. I guess the question is whether there is recurrence. The big issue is the identity crisis and the risk of violence that will follow Merkel's policy frolic, not to mention the crisis she has set off across a Europe that was already fracturing, and the succour she has given to those makers of dead children, the people smugglers.
Australia's hardline policy on managing asylum/seekers/illegal migrants is increasingly cited as exemplary across Europe and in mainstream politics in Britain. |
^ But, and I've made this point before, that equation is trading the possibility of harm with real-life actual ongoing harm. It's not an exaggeration, for instance, to equate what we're doing in detention centres with child abuse. The question is, do you sacrifice the well-being of a certain number of foreigners, potentially sacrifice the well-being of a similar number of locals, or try to find an alternative way that avoids causing substantial harm to anyone?
Whatever you think of Germany's laissez-faire refugee policy, the point stands that it's only one out of a large number of possible models for addressing this situation. That can be achieved so long as refugees don't come to be portrayed as inherently evil and dangerous opportunists, in which case the anti-humanist lock 'em up or lock 'em out response becomes attractive to a large percentage of the population. I fear that news stories like this - of genuinely concerning, but still unrepresentative acts of violence - really push things in that direction.
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David
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| Morrigu wrote: | The Japanese approach!
TOKYO - Japan accepted only 27 refugees last year and rejected almost all applications, officials said Saturday, as rights groups urged the government to allow more people in.
The country has long been nervous about an influx of refugees into its homogeneous society and has tightly restricted the number it accepts.
Of the thousands seeking refugee status, five were Syrian, only three of which were accepted -- a far cry from the massive influx of Syrians into Europe from the war-torn Middle East nation last year.
The justice ministry said it received a record 7,586 refugee applications in 2015, meaning more than 99 percent of requests were rejected.
Other accepted applicants included six from Afghanistan, three Ethiopians and three Sri Lankans
http://m.bangkokpost.com/news/836552?refer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.msn.com%2Fen-au%2Fnews%2Fworld |
We had something like that one time. It was known as the 'White Australia Policy'.
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^ You don't say - never heard of it
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stui magpie
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| David wrote: | | Morrigu wrote: | The Japanese approach!
TOKYO - Japan accepted only 27 refugees last year and rejected almost all applications, officials said Saturday, as rights groups urged the government to allow more people in.
The country has long been nervous about an influx of refugees into its homogeneous society and has tightly restricted the number it accepts.
Of the thousands seeking refugee status, five were Syrian, only three of which were accepted -- a far cry from the massive influx of Syrians into Europe from the war-torn Middle East nation last year.
The justice ministry said it received a record 7,586 refugee applications in 2015, meaning more than 99 percent of requests were rejected.
Other accepted applicants included six from Afghanistan, three Ethiopians and three Sri Lankans
http://m.bangkokpost.com/news/836552?refer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.msn.com%2Fen-au%2Fnews%2Fworld |
We had something like that one time. It was known as the 'White Australia Policy'. |
Never forget the White Australia policy was instigated by the union movement to protect jobs.
So what would you call Japan's policy?
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Here we go, here we go, here we go..........
Explaining in the view of Salafist Islam why hundreds of women found themselves groped, sexually assaulted and in some cases raped by gangs of migrant men in cities across Germany the Imam said: the events of New Years Eve were the girls own fault, because they were half naked and wearing perfume. It is not surprising the men wanted to attack them. [Dressing like that] is like adding fuel to the fire.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/19/salafist-cologne-imam-at-terror-mosque-girls-were-raped-because-they-were-half-naked-and-wore-perfume/
A Cologne Salafist imam could be placed under criminal investigation after blaming 'half-naked' women for provoking mass sexual attacks on New Year's Eve.
The comments provoked widespread outrage on social media, and Green party politician Volker Beck filed a criminal complaint against Imam Sami Abu-Yusuf, after he told a Russian television channel the victims of the mass attacks on January 1 were molested "due to the way they dressed".
"If they're half-naked and wearing perfume, it's not surprising that such things would happen," he told REN TV.
More than 800 attacks took place in the city on New Year's Eve, with women attacked and harassed by a mob of men described as of Arab or North African appearance.
In a follow up interview with Express newspaper Sami Abu-Yusuf said that the remarks had been "taken out of context" and continued: "There were women scantily clad women who were wearing perfume as they walked through the drunken crowd. For some North Africans, this was reason to grope the women."
Abu-Yusuf, who preaches at the Al-Tawheed mosque in the city's Kalk neighbourhood, continued: "That doesn't mean that I think women shouldn't be allowed to dress like that. Everyone has to accept that. And if they don't agree, they need to go to another country. That's the truth."
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/cologne-sex-attacks-imam-claims-women-wearing-perfume-provoked-360-assaults-by-north-africans-1539509
 taken out of context - yeah ok!
You can go first you fwit and take your nethrandal brethen with you 
A friend living there told me today there is now the suggestion that alcohol should be banned to stop sexual assaults - bye bye German culture
She's preparing to get out and come home - good call!!!
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stui magpie
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Really unfortunately there are many men from African, middle eastern and even some eastern European countries who do think like that because it's what they were bought up with and programmed to believe.
That's why education of refugees on what their new host countries values are is vital. 65 years ago when Australia copped the wave of European migration, the value differences weren't that big even if the cultural ones were.
Now the refugees coming into western countries can come with vastly different moral values, which are a product of culture but are more of a problem than just cultural.
Open border advocates are just pie in the sky idealistic imbeciles if they can't see this.
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