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Cam 
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Our top 7 gatherers vs users in 2015 -> rank disposals plus rank eff %
1. Pendlebury 2. / 8. -> 28.9 @ 76.5%
2. Sidebottom 4. / 9. -> 27.3 @ 76.5%
3. Oxley 8. / 7. -> 18.5 @ 77.8%
4. Varcoe 10. / 6. -> 17.2 @ 79.1%
5. Ramsay 12. / 5. -> 15.6 @ 79.5%
6. Langdon 7. / 11. -> 21 @ 74%
7. Williams 6. / 14. -> 21.3 @ 72%
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Cam
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Reinforces how important the development of Langdon, Oxley, Ramsay and Williams is to our future.
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The Boy Who Cried Wolf
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| inxs88 wrote: | | Cam wrote: | | inxs88 wrote: | | That Frost stats proves that the smaller the sample size of total possessions per match (avg 7) the easier it is to get to 87%. |
100% Correct.
The more you touch it the harder it is to stay at a high rate of efficiency. 87% out of 7 is hellaluva lot easier than 87% out of 30+ |
JW shall come up with a matrix to dispute that learned theory! |
The problem is stats can be cherry picked from anywhere to try and prove your point, its tried, tested and true... not. |
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thompsoc
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This is the problem with Stats.
Williams kicks it 20m on most occasions.
Even he can hit a target at that range although he did miss a couple from 15m last week.
Hitting targets 15 to 30m is different from hitting targets from 45 to 60m.
Which one is far more important?
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inxs88
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| thompsoc wrote: | This is the problem with Stats.
Williams kicks it 20m on most occasions.
Even he can hit a target at that range although he did miss a couple from 15m last week.
Hitting targets 15 to 30m is different from hitting targets from 45 to 60m.
Which one is far more important? |
Great point Thompsoc. Let's just remind ourselves how good was it seeing ben Reid pin point darts to our payers some 40-55 metres away the other night. The Bulldogs, Hawks, Gold Coast and GWS have 4-5 of these players who can do this!! Imagine if we could match that???
Problem is there are some players who'll never achieve this but are clogging up game time.
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thompsoc
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You usually break the press when you hit a target 50 to 60 m.
Breaking the Press and getting it out to space is what a guy like Reid can do.
I like Williams but his job is to run and carry as far as possible.
Otherwise he is a list clogger.
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Cam
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Mind you, Hawthorn break the press by kicking 20m. Too often the long bomb target has his man plus the 'get across to the contest' guy to contend with and just ends up being a turnover. We look our most dangerous running and chipping through the guts imo ala the Hawks, Power & Dogs.
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inxs88
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If Buckley plays the poor kicks they must be "risked managed" and play within limitations at all times otherwise it won't work. Think the following teams seem to carry only one flawed kick their backline AKA:
* Bulldogs: Dale Morris
* Hawks: Frawley
* Swans: Laidler
* Adelaide: Talia
* Port: Trengrove
* GWS: Corr
* Cats: Lonergan
* North: Firrito
But the Pies carry 4 or more of the following:
* Brown
* Frost
* Marley
* Toovey
* Langdon
* Ramsay
It can't continue, otherwise we shall be the "Turnover Kings".
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John Wren 
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| The Boy Who Cried Wolf wrote: | | inxs88 wrote: | | Cam wrote: | | inxs88 wrote: | | That Frost stats proves that the smaller the sample size of total possessions per match (avg 7) the easier it is to get to 87%. |
100% Correct.
The more you touch it the harder it is to stay at a high rate of efficiency. 87% out of 7 is hellaluva lot easier than 87% out of 30+ |
JW shall come up with a matrix to dispute that learned theory! |
The problem is stats can be cherry picked from anywhere to try and prove your point, its tried, tested and true... not. |
according to afl360 port adelaide is travelling at 52%. hartlett and the gray bros around the 50%. there's some stats to support kicking is just not a collingwood problem.
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inxs88
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| John Wren wrote: | | The Boy Who Cried Wolf wrote: | | inxs88 wrote: | | Cam wrote: | | inxs88 wrote: | | That Frost stats proves that the smaller the sample size of total possessions per match (avg 7) the easier it is to get to 87%. |
100% Correct.
The more you touch it the harder it is to stay at a high rate of efficiency. 87% out of 7 is hellaluva lot easier than 87% out of 30+ |
JW shall come up with a matrix to dispute that learned theory! |
The problem is stats can be cherry picked from anywhere to try and prove your point, its tried, tested and true... not. |
according to afl360 port adelaide is travelling at 52%. hartlett and the gray bros around the 50%. there's some stats to support kicking is just not a collingwood problem. |
Don't take comfort nor are prone to rationalisation of the other teams mediocrity. The more we as supporters can voice our concerns in a constructive and informed way and avoid sycophantic tendencies the better our club shall be!
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John Wren
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
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| inxs88 wrote: | | John Wren wrote: | | The Boy Who Cried Wolf wrote: | | inxs88 wrote: | | Cam wrote: | | inxs88 wrote: | | That Frost stats proves that the smaller the sample size of total possessions per match (avg 7) the easier it is to get to 87%. |
100% Correct.
The more you touch it the harder it is to stay at a high rate of efficiency. 87% out of 7 is hellaluva lot easier than 87% out of 30+ |
JW shall come up with a matrix to dispute that learned theory! |
The problem is stats can be cherry picked from anywhere to try and prove your point, its tried, tested and true... not. |
according to afl360 port adelaide is travelling at 52%. hartlett and the gray bros around the 50%. there's some stats to support kicking is just not a collingwood problem. |
Don't take comfort nor a prone to rationalisation of the other teams mediocrity. The more we as supporters can voice our concerns in a constructive and informed way and avoid sycophantic tendencies the better our club shall be! |
there are blokes at the club with much smarter footy brains than you, i or the majority of this forum who very well know what our limitiations are. if they don't address them they will be moved on accordingly. as supporters some have concerns and voice them vociferously while others simply don't share them and choose not to be too critical of what's going on. that the latter don't share your views or air them publicly does not necessarily equate to them being sycophants.
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Presti35
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How do you guys rate Keeffes kicking?
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simon tonna
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| Presti35 wrote: | | How do you guys rate Keeffes kicking? |
what I remember of him.
he had a decent set shot routine and is reliable in front.
field kicking is not penetrating enough to start an attacking forward thrust
from congestion.
to save from a turnover he likes to kick side ways to a teammate in space.
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John Wren
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some footballers are vain enough to only kick where they will get a 100% efficiency result.
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inxs88
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| John Wren wrote: | | inxs88 wrote: | | John Wren wrote: | | The Boy Who Cried Wolf wrote: | | inxs88 wrote: | | Cam wrote: | | inxs88 wrote: | | That Frost stats proves that the smaller the sample size of total possessions per match (avg 7) the easier it is to get to 87%. |
100% Correct.
The more you touch it the harder it is to stay at a high rate of efficiency. 87% out of 7 is hellaluva lot easier than 87% out of 30+ |
JW shall come up with a matrix to dispute that learned theory! |
The problem is stats can be cherry picked from anywhere to try and prove your point, its tried, tested and true... not. |
according to afl360 port adelaide is travelling at 52%. hartlett and the gray bros around the 50%. there's some stats to support kicking is just not a collingwood problem. |
Don't take comfort nor a prone to rationalisation of the other teams mediocrity. The more we as supporters can voice our concerns in a constructive and informed way and avoid sycophantic tendencies the better our club shall be! |
there are blokes at the club with much smarter footy brains than you, i or the majority of this forum who very well know what our limitiations are. if they don't address them they will be moved on accordingly. as supporters some have concerns and voice them vociferously while others simply don't share them and choose not to be too critical of what's going on. that the latter don't share your views or air them publicly does not necessarily equate to them being sycophants. |
Possibly John. But people power in AFL and the rights of the rank & file member to express their views has achieved the following:
* saved the Bulldogs in 1989
* got Roos the job over the pre-ordained Terry Wallace at Swans in 2002
* raised millions of dollars for the Pies through "shaking the tins" in 1986
* saved the Kangaroos from being the Gold Coast Sun/Kangaroos
* staved off hawthorn from merging with the Dees in 1996
* led to the abandonment of the East West project
etc... etc...
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