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| So in short, we bring in Hill and a marginally improved draft hand in this years draft for our future second rounder. Pick 40 will be in high thirties by the time that pick comes around on the night too ( courtesy of a couple Lions F / S nominees ) |
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Taranto to Richmond has been confirmed.
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THATS DAY 1 DONE
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^ McStay signs with us as a free agent?
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| Pies2016 wrote: | | So in short, we bring in Hill and a marginally improved draft hand in this years draft for our future second rounder. Pick 40 will be in high thirties by the time that pick comes around on the night too ( courtesy of a couple Lions F / S nominees ) |
Goes the other way doesn’t it - pick #40 will be #42-43rd pick by the time we get there. Not sure it matters too much when you get to the middle of the draft. Difference is at the margin.
Second rounder next year is actually a healthy trade to give up - somewhere between #32-36? (Hopefully no lower…!). Interesting to see if we can replace it somehow - maybe with something we get this year? Be good to try and preserve our draft position if the draft will be good.
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| Heard from people in the know that McStay will be great for Collingwood and just what we need he is a good player but under Craig McRae even better player as well |
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Pies2016
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| piffdog wrote: | | Pies2016 wrote: | | So in short, we bring in Hill and a marginally improved draft hand in this years draft for our future second rounder. Pick 40 will be in high thirties by the time that pick comes around on the night too ( courtesy of a couple Lions F / S nominees ) |
Goes the other way doesn’t it - pick #40 will be #42-43rd pick by the time we get there. Not sure it matters too much when you get to the middle of the draft. Difference is at the margin.
Second rounder next year is actually a healthy trade to give up - somewhere between #32-36? (Hopefully no lower…!). Interesting to see if we can replace it somehow - maybe with something we get this year? Be good to try and preserve our draft position if the draft will be good. |
To explain, the Lions will need to set a record for points needed to accomodate both their F / S prospects. Ashcroft as Pick one and Fletcher in the teens and that’s around 3500 points required, AFTER discount. The only way you can find that value is to have a significant number of second round or early third round picks in your back pocket on the night of the draft. ( given that Dunkley is also a significant trade and will eat up their first round pick plus plenty more ) You will blow out by two picks when the F / S players names are both called and there maybe a couple free agency compo picks to blow it out further by pick 40 but the Lions will then likely need 7 - 9 selections around mid draft just to match another clubs bid for both Ashcroft and Fletcher. If you allow + 4 picks to blow out and then 7 / 8 picks to come off the table, that potentially leaves a net climb up the draft of 3 or 4 positions.
Pick 36 is worth 500 points, so using just mathematics as an example, that would require the Lions to have 7 x pick 36 ( 500 ) = 3,500 points just to have those points put away. They will obviously have a number of picks either side of 36 on the night but the later the pick, the less points that contribute to the total required. Let’s see how we go on the night but in all likelihood we won’t have kept pick 40 anyway. |
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Pies2016
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Just to clarify earlier posts, Pick #7 and the accompanying set of Jack Bowes are still yet to decide their preferred new homes.
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| Ok Bowes and pick 7 to Collingwood Henry to the cats |
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Is the 'McStay-Delay' due to the numbers being crunched with Melbourne over Grundy and IF we are into Jack Bowes and Pick 7 and IF we throw some more cash Henry's way??
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I expect Collingwood to pick up Frampton tomorrow time to get these deals done Frampton tomorrow and Mitchell I feel be later on in the week
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| Graham Wright to fight tooth and nail as well wright please play hard ball and get the job done |
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| 90 nice wrote: | | Ok Bowes and pick 7 to Collingwood Henry to the cats |
Zero chance we get Bowes unless he agrees to split his $1.6M over 2 years into $160k pa for 10 years.
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| Frampton and Hooper to Collingwood |
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| Pies2016 wrote: | | piffdog wrote: | | Pies2016 wrote: | | So in short, we bring in Hill and a marginally improved draft hand in this years draft for our future second rounder. Pick 40 will be in high thirties by the time that pick comes around on the night too ( courtesy of a couple Lions F / S nominees ) |
Goes the other way doesn’t it - pick #40 will be #42-43rd pick by the time we get there. Not sure it matters too much when you get to the middle of the draft. Difference is at the margin.
Second rounder next year is actually a healthy trade to give up - somewhere between #32-36? (Hopefully no lower…!). Interesting to see if we can replace it somehow - maybe with something we get this year? Be good to try and preserve our draft position if the draft will be good. |
To explain, the Lions will need to set a record for points needed to accomodate both their F / S prospects. Ashcroft as Pick one and Fletcher in the teens and that’s around 3500 points required, AFTER discount. The only way you can find that value is to have a significant number of second round or early third round picks in your back pocket on the night of the draft. ( given that Dunkley is also a significant trade and will eat up their first round pick plus plenty more ) You will blow out by two picks when the F / S players names are both called and there maybe a couple free agency compo picks to blow it out further by pick 40 but the Lions will then likely need 7 - 9 selections around mid draft just to match another clubs bid for both Ashcroft and Fletcher. If you allow + 4 picks to blow out and then 7 / 8 picks to come off the table, that potentially leaves a net climb up the draft of 3 or 4 positions.
Pick 36 is worth 500 points, so using just mathematics as an example, that would require the Lions to have 7 x pick 36 ( 500 ) = 3,500 points just to have those points put away. They will obviously have a number of picks either side of 36 on the night but the later the pick, the less points that contribute to the total required. Let’s see how we go on the night but in all likelihood we won’t have kept pick 40 anyway. |
Someone remind me how many picks you can use on the night - isn't there a rule that you can only use the number of picks that you have spots on your list or similar? So Brisbane can't use 20 picks worth 175 points each to get to 3500, they need a handful at 500 to 1000? Is that how it works? Does that mean that pick 40 will become pick 37 or 38 then (roughly, 2 picks added for 2 F/S's but 4 or 5 picks used for same?). My brain already hurts!!
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