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eddiesmith 
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| Rd10.1998_11.1#36 wrote: | | Some people need a scapegoat to offload the disappoint and frustration of the last 63 years on, and who better than a highly paid one now that our “rock hard training track” is off the hook |
Whilst some people would prefer to blame the poor performances of the 35th player on the list who only got a game due to injuries, others expect more from the highest paid player on the list than the lowest... |
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K
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| K wrote: | Yep, your point was to shoot the messenger. You always shoot the messenger. This time it was Gleeson. But it could be anyone.
Do you really deny the factual stuff Gleeson wrote...?
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Gleeson: "Opposition teams are presently unconcerned at Grundy’s hitout numbers - they are routinely high - because they only worry if those hitouts translate to high clearances and for Collingwood they do not."
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It's obvious 'cos when oppo clubs' ruckmen are injured, look who they play on Grundy.
e.g. Teague played the dwarf "ruckman" Jack Silvagni on Grundy. If Teague had any worries about Grundy, he could have played one of his star KPPs on him. But he didn't 'cos his KPPs are more valuable playing as KPPs.
And it paid off. Silvagni won the hit-out count 3-1, but in practice Silvagni won their contests 5-0.
Q3 10:15 ball up; Silvagni gets HO to advantage with left hand (though Grundy's right hand was somewhere close too); HO goes left on bounce to Dow, who gets clear and kicks.
Q3 10:37 throw in on 50m arc; Grundy works his way in front, double palms HO at face level to ground in front of them; Silvagni follows up and kicks it off the ground about 10m forward I50.
Q3 11:03 throw in on 50m arc; ball is low when it reaches them; Silvagni gets HO with left hand; Dow gets a free kick, so it automatically counts as HO "to advantage".
Q4 12:18 centre bounce slightly to Grundy's favour; Silvagni runs over the centre line and gets HO with right hand, forward to edge of circle; C. Brown is there in front of Petrevski-Seton; Brown is tackled; Carlton #7 tries to pick up; ball spills to Walsh on the outside; Walsh gets centre clearance to the leading McKay I50; McKay kicks the goal.
Q4 14:07 centre bounce slightly to Grundy's favour again; the ball seems to ricochet forward off Grundy's turned head (he is not given hit out in the stats); the ricochet goes straight to Silvagni; Silvagni kicks I50 (so in the stats, Silvagni gets: contested possession, ground ball get, effective kick, effective disposal, centre clearance); but this time Carlton do not goal. |
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Rd10.1998_11.1#36
rd10.1998_11.1#36
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For >90% of the game De Koenig was Grundy’s opponent
Silvagni is credited with 3 hit outs in that game. He had 5 against the Saints, 4 vs Suns and 3 vs Cats
Whilst those teams certainly don’t have top class rucks, not sure this is the smoking gun you’re constantly searching for
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K
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Silvagni's low HO numbers just show he's not a ruckman!! Of course he's not!!
The numbers you want are how many HOs his opponents got against him. IIRC in one game, his opponents got about 70 HOs.  (Dunno which now...)
He humiliated Grundy and he's not a ruckman or even a ruckman's size.
Again...
Silvagni won the hit-out count against Grundy 3-1, but in practice Silvagni won their contests 5-0.
You think Grundy gets a pass for that?  |
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Rd10.1998_11.1#36
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TBH I’m not really that fussed about how Grundy does in the <10% of hitouts against a non-ruck in any given game
But since a non ruckman humiliated him, the Blues actual ruckman must have totally demolished him. Not to mention the superstar rucks of the comp like Gawn and NicNat. Right? They must totally destroy him, week in, week out, based on SOSOS’s 5 contests
| K wrote: | | The numbers you want are how many HOs his opponents got against him. IIRC in one game, his opponents got about 70 HOs. (Dunno which now...): |
I don’t watch every Carlton game by any stretch but are you saying Silvagni played #1 ruck? I don’t remember that happening so if it did please tell us which game it was
EDIT: De Koning is listed as playing all 22 games this year
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Big T
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New coach, New Grundy. Move along.
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K
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| Rd10.1998_11.1#36 wrote: | ...
| K wrote: | | The numbers you want are how many HOs his opponents got against him. IIRC in one game, his opponents got about 70 HOs. (Dunno which now...): |
I don’t watch every Carlton game by any stretch but are you saying Silvagni played #1 ruck? I don’t remember that happening so if it did please tell us which game it was
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Yep. Not by choice. De Koning got injured.
If Grundy had dominated him like he should have, that game might've been won. Look at those crucial centre bounce contests in Q4.
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Q4 12:18 centre bounce slightly to Grundy's favour; Silvagni runs over the centre line and gets HO with right hand, forward to edge of circle; C. Brown is there in front of Petrevski-Seton; Brown is tackled; Carlton #7 tries to pick up; ball spills to Walsh on the outside; Walsh gets centre clearance to the leading McKay I50; McKay kicks the goal.
Q4 14:07 centre bounce slightly to Grundy's favour again; the ball seems to ricochet forward off Grundy's turned head (he is not given hit out in the stats); the ricochet goes straight to Silvagni; Silvagni kicks I50 (so in the stats, Silvagni gets: contested possession, ground ball get, effective kick, effective disposal, centre clearance); but this time Carlton do not goal. |
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think positive 
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| Big T wrote: | | New coach, New Grundy. Move along. |
this
lock the thread till the numpties need someone to blame again!
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Magpietothemax
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| think positive wrote: | | Big T wrote: | | New coach, New Grundy. Move along. |
this
lock the thread till the numpties need someone to blame again! |
this to the power of 2.
I am so looking forward to see the renaissance of Brodie Grundy in 2022 under a new coach and a new gameplan.
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Rd10.1998_11.1#36
rd10.1998_11.1#36
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| K wrote: | | Yep. Not by choice. De Koning got injured |
I found it, was their St. Kilda game. DK injured early in Q3. So nobody got 70 hitouts against Silvagni, that was the Saints total for the whole game... Carlton only won 11 hitouts total - and won by 5 goals
| K wrote: | | If Grundy had dominated him like he should have, that game might've been won. Look at those crucial centre bounce contests in Q4 |
We got thumped in Q4 6.4 to 0.3 and lost by 5 goals... trying to pin the loss on 2 (or even 5) Grundy v Silvagni hitouts is ridiculously reductionist
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K
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| Rd10.1998_11.1#36 wrote: | | K wrote: | | Yep. Not by choice. De Koning got injured |
I found it, was their St. Kilda game. DK injured early in Q3. So nobody got 70 hitouts against Silvagni, that was the Saints total for the whole game... Carlton only won 11 hitouts total - and won by 5 goals
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Yep, Carlton won. So? The point is, Silvagni's no ruckman. StK got smashed many times this year. (By 10 goals+... And I watched them lose from over 6 goals up against Adelaide.) It's not Silvagni's ruckwork that made 'em lose. (But his non-ruck work was praised.)
I checked the reports. According to the reports, De Koning was subbed out at half time, so he must have been injured in the first half.
But yeah, we'd need to see how many HOs StK won against De Koning... Lemme guess. 10? 20?
If it's 20, that's still Silvagni 5-50 his opponents. |
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K
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| Magpietothemax wrote: | | think positive wrote: | ...
lock the thread... |
this to the power of 2.
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FYI, the last few pages didn't come from this thread. They were merged into this thread. (Dunno why...)
Folks (not me) started a thread arguing about Grundy vs. Mumford. Everything after flowed from that. I only said anything when it reached page 2 or 3!
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... till the numpties need someone to blame again! |
Reality: the numpties are blaming the entire club (teammates, coaches, ex-teammates, ex-coaches, you name it...) for Grundy's flaws.
Every player has flaws. Hard work and good coaching might fix some of them. Dunno why the Grundy Apologists have to go berserk whenever there's any talk about Grundy's flaws. Why?? e.g. if folks posted about Pendlebury being slow or breaking lots of bones in his old-man stage, would unhinged Pendles Apologists come out of the woodwork to flame them? I don't think so. So why is Grundy a Protected Species? |
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Cam 
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Seriously this bullshit is still going on the offseason... can't some of you discover porn or something.
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Rd10.1998_11.1#36
rd10.1998_11.1#36
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| K wrote: | | But yeah, we'd need to see how many HOs StK won against De Koning... Lemme guess. 10? 20? If it's 20, that's still Silvagni 5-50 his opponents. |
lol who cares? Grundy averages more hit outs per game than every other ruck in the comp, but you’re blaming him for a 5 goal loss because he didn’t win 2 hit outs from which Carlton scored 1 goal. When he dominates the hit outs you complain about the quality of them. In short, whatever he does, you’re not happy with him. The same way you went on and on about our fitness staff and rock hard training track as the cause of all our problems
How about we give it a rest until he’s played at least 1 game under the new coach and see if he can recapture his 2018 form
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masoncox
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Yep.
Grundy under a new coach is what i want to see.
I have not been thst impressed with him in the last 2 years.
We have lost dominance of the midfield.
Basically since the 2018 gf.
We will wait and see. |
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