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Pies4shaw 
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| Which 3 workers do you say are looking to take an "independent road" at the moment? Try to keep it a little bit real. |
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Magpietothemax 
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | Which 3 workers do you say are looking to take an "independent road" at the moment? Try to keep it a little bit real. |
It is already starting to happen, without you realising it:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/11/09/nhlm-n09.html
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stui magpie 
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So what actually comprises "The Working Class" these days? How do you define a "Worker"?
Is it anyone who draws a salary? Does it exclude Managers who get a salary? Does it include knowledge workers or is it purely blue collar unionised workers?
If I own a Kebab shop/bakery/cafe/fruit & Vege shop and work 60 hour weeks myself but also employ a few staff am I a "Worker" or one of the elite capitalist class?
Just trying to understand , I really hope your New World Order doesn't foresee the CFMEU running the country.
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stui magpie
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Pies4shaw
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| stui magpie wrote: | | So what actually comprises "The Working Class" these days? How do you define a "Worker"? |
This is clear, Stui - "workers" are all those with 4-wheel drive vehicles that aren't Range Rovers. |
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Magpietothemax
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | So what actually comprises "The Working Class" these days? How do you define a "Worker"? |
This is clear, Stui - "workers" are all those with 4-wheel drive vehicles that aren't Range Rovers. |
So you two think that all the commodities in the world, cars, trucks, aeroplanes, food products, computer chips, ...just emerge out of thin air?
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stui magpie
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No, I asked a legit question. How do you define "The Working Class"?
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stui magpie
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | So what actually comprises "The Working Class" these days? How do you define a "Worker"? |
This is clear, Stui - "workers" are all those with 4-wheel drive vehicles that aren't Range Rovers. |
That's ironic, I qualified as a "worker" after I stopped working.  
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Pies4shaw
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| ^ It's not too late to get a Range Rover, of course. |
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What'sinaname 
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I guess the outgoing CEO of Boeing is a worker.
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stui magpie
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | ^ It's not too late to get a Range Rover, of course. |
Nah, I'd never buy an English car, they're over priced rubbish. Mind you, I believe the Rolls Royce engines performed well when taken from the confines of a pimped out hearse and put into a fighter plane, but that may just be a 75 year old rumour.
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David
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| Magpietothemax wrote: | | Jezza wrote: | Is it being exaggerated by pundits, or was Biden a trainwreck?
I'm at work, so I haven't been able to watch the debate yet. |
'Nothing exaggerated. Was a total trainwreck. Could barefly finish sentences and often lost track of what his topic was. Could not come close to putting Trump to the sword despite Trump's numerous bizarre and obvious lies.
The Democrats are now in full scale panic mode, and there will be a move no doubt to try to get Biden to withdraw from the race so that they can try to come up with an electable candidate. |
The crazy thing is thinking about how we got to this point. Over the past four years, the Democratic Party:
• Coalesced around a struggling Biden in 2020, encouraging other candidates to withdraw in order to turn the contest into a two-horse race, line up all institutional support behind him and block any chance of Bernie Sanders winning, just as they did in 2016 with failed candidate Hillary Clinton
• Knew Biden was bordering on senile, but nonetheless gaslit at least some of the American voting public into believing that his many verbal stumbles were the result of a speech impediment
• Knew Biden had a minuscule chance of surviving or remaining fully functioning through eight years, but had no coherent succession plan in place and treated it as a problem for the future
• Picked Kamala Harris as Biden's running mate despite her wretched performance in the primaries and broad unpopularity
• Scraped home in a presidential election – one that the drover's dog could have won, mainly because of Trump bungling America's response to COVID-19 – and acted as if Biden was the saviour of the Democratic Party
• Knew that Trump would almost certainly run for president again in 2024 and face off against an even further cognitively declined Joe Biden if he served out his term and decided to stick around for a shot at another one
• Rather than recognising they got lucky and that the main part of Biden's job was done in defeating Trump – and that he could now hand the reins over to a different candidate – instead coalesced around him once again in 2024, failing to get him to step down or offering any institutional support to a primary challenger, which in turn ensured that no viable alternative candidates ran and that Biden won the nomination all but unopposed
• Got to June 2024 with the primaries already decided, and are now panicking because all of a sudden it's dawned on them what non-partisan observers understood long ago: that Biden is obviously not fit for the job and may well lose to Trump
• Still have no transition plan to speak of, four years down the track, apart from an unpopular VP who would probably also lose
• Keep saying that the future of American democracy is at stake, yet have done everything in their power to engineer this exact situation
Nothing here was remotely unpredictable. So the only possibilities to my mind are either that the Democratic Party is entirely rudderless and has no idea what it's doing, or else that they genuinely do not care about winning presidential elections so long as their own position in the two-party system remains secure. Whether they replace Biden at the convention or stick with him to the bitter end, the incompetence on display here is incredible.
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What'sinaname
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Apparently, agreeing to hold the debate before the 2024 DNC is because many Democrat members don't want Biden to run. Unfortunately, the real President, Dr Jill is insistent that Joe run and a sitting President is not seriously challenged.
It is hoped that the embarrassment in the debate will convince Jill that Joe should step down.
However, as we've seen, she's set the bar low. She celebrated that Joe answered every question.
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stui magpie
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@ David, with that description of the Democrats clear incompetence as a party, you have to think how the hell they could actually govern anything regardless of who was notionally in charge as POTUS.
On the other hand, the Republicans allowed themselves to be taken over by the Cult of Trump.
And I thought Australian politics was in a mess.
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pietillidie
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Yeah, they're trapped in a race to the bottom. Biden is there because he beat Trump last time and his policy outcomes were ultimately pretty good in the circumstances. He would presumably have retired gracefully in advance in normal times, but he's locked to Trump and the Trump cult defines everything.
Add a creepy politically appointed Supreme Court that interprets the ancient books literally or metaphorically to suit the extremists, throwing the odd bone to pretend to look non-political, and they have no backstop in law, either. Meanwhile, their ridiculous adoration of an executive grants far too much power to the presidency, meaning one fruitcake can wreck everything. Add a bizarrely backward level of religiosity, and here we are.
It's very hard to see a positive outcome at this stage, but there's still time for them to shift gears. At least there is now strong impetus to replace Biden.
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