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Bob Sugar
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| AN_Inkling wrote: | | Just thought I'd offer some support for 35forever: my thoughts on the Daisy situation are closer to his than those on the "Dollar Daisy is a hack and a traitor" side of the fence. |
Pay off my mortgage and I'll happily support Carlton for the rest of my life, Daisy made the right choice.
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| Defender wrote: | | E wrote: | | 35forever wrote: | | MJ23 wrote: | ^ agree
Even though he wont ask for what he is deserving.
Im sure I read at the last contract neg he sacked his management company as they were not moving quick enough.
You put his development, attitude and club loyalty up against Dale's and you realise the supporters idolised the wrong bloke.
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Sorry, but I can't let this kind of hypocrisy pass, and yes, denigrating a great Collingwood player and criticising his loyalty in the same sentence is indeed hypocrisy! You do NOT know DT wanted to leave, I know he wanted to stay.
DT was in a very different position to Dayne. Collingwood is determined to keep Dayne and were determined to dump Dale. His popularity was a threat to Buckley & Buckley is known to have disliked the so-called "Brat Pack" since his playing days,. He has eliminated every member of it except for Swanny, (although Pendles was a member early and so was Dayne to an extent, but Pendles opted to be a team leader - and thank god he did - and Dayne followed suit - and thank god he did!) Another big difference is that DT & Bucks played together for a couple of seasons. Also while your talking about loyalty, DT was one of the first to accept less to stay at Collingwood. He definitely wanted to be a magpie for life, but his rift with Buckley put an end to that. To suggest that we are better without him is ridiculous. He was BOG in his last full game for us (StKilda last year), and we only have 5 guys with over 150 games in the side, three with over 200, and we'll likely lose two of those fairly soon, only Tooves is likely to join the 150 club in that time
I have no wish to turn this into another DT thread, but I WILL answer any question on the matter & respond to any weak attempt at abuse.
Back to Beamer, there is no doubt the kid is a gun, and we still haven't seen the best of him given that he's only 24. If Collingwood were silly enough to offer him unders simply because he wants to stay, it would be a monumental mistake. I have no doubt he could get 800's at any of half a dozen clubs, the guy is already in the top 5 players in Fantasy Football, and his form is getting better by the week. If we offer 200 and he knows he can get 800, he'd be foolish not to look at it. Loyalty, in the end, must have a price, especially when ones career is so brief & could end at any moment. And let's face it, there's no superannuation or pension plan. When Collingwood or any other team has finished with any player they may as well not exist, unless the player is one of the very few who achieve 'legend' status. |
I agree the pies didn't want him, but I disagree with your logic.
I think the simple reason we let daisy go is because of a simple risk reward analysis. He is not the player he was and was demanding to be paid (rightly so because Carlton offered it to him), Elite money. He was elite in 2010. Maybe our most valuable player. Not the same after the injury.
This fact pattern made it impossible for the pies to pay him and impossible for Daisy to stay. |
Bucks pretty much said he wasn't prepared to commit to that sort of coin on a player who had a massive injury cloud hanging over him, but I think he was being polite, Daisy is a fine player when fully fit but he isn't worth 700k.
considering he hardly got on the park for his last 2 years with us I think 350k would have been generous, and I'm sure we would have kept him if he agreed, obviously he didn't.
I know he always played well in big games, but I think he was a very overrated footballer with us, good player but not a star. |
I agree if you are looking at his entire body of work. however, if you focus on the only 8 weeks in the last 23 years that actually made a difference to Collingwood's success, he was an absolute gun (very mnuch a difference maker and worth whatever he was earning and then some in terms of the balue he delivered during that period).
Not to overate the importance of Sheehan's top 50, but Sheehan put daisy at number 8 following the season (which says a lot since he hates Collingwood).
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Bob Sugar
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| E wrote: | | Defender wrote: | | E wrote: | | 35forever wrote: | | MJ23 wrote: | ^ agree
Even though he wont ask for what he is deserving.
Im sure I read at the last contract neg he sacked his management company as they were not moving quick enough.
You put his development, attitude and club loyalty up against Dale's and you realise the supporters idolised the wrong bloke.
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Sorry, but I can't let this kind of hypocrisy pass, and yes, denigrating a great Collingwood player and criticising his loyalty in the same sentence is indeed hypocrisy! You do NOT know DT wanted to leave, I know he wanted to stay.
DT was in a very different position to Dayne. Collingwood is determined to keep Dayne and were determined to dump Dale. His popularity was a threat to Buckley & Buckley is known to have disliked the so-called "Brat Pack" since his playing days,. He has eliminated every member of it except for Swanny, (although Pendles was a member early and so was Dayne to an extent, but Pendles opted to be a team leader - and thank god he did - and Dayne followed suit - and thank god he did!) Another big difference is that DT & Bucks played together for a couple of seasons. Also while your talking about loyalty, DT was one of the first to accept less to stay at Collingwood. He definitely wanted to be a magpie for life, but his rift with Buckley put an end to that. To suggest that we are better without him is ridiculous. He was BOG in his last full game for us (StKilda last year), and we only have 5 guys with over 150 games in the side, three with over 200, and we'll likely lose two of those fairly soon, only Tooves is likely to join the 150 club in that time
I have no wish to turn this into another DT thread, but I WILL answer any question on the matter & respond to any weak attempt at abuse.
Back to Beamer, there is no doubt the kid is a gun, and we still haven't seen the best of him given that he's only 24. If Collingwood were silly enough to offer him unders simply because he wants to stay, it would be a monumental mistake. I have no doubt he could get 800's at any of half a dozen clubs, the guy is already in the top 5 players in Fantasy Football, and his form is getting better by the week. If we offer 200 and he knows he can get 800, he'd be foolish not to look at it. Loyalty, in the end, must have a price, especially when ones career is so brief & could end at any moment. And let's face it, there's no superannuation or pension plan. When Collingwood or any other team has finished with any player they may as well not exist, unless the player is one of the very few who achieve 'legend' status. |
I agree the pies didn't want him, but I disagree with your logic.
I think the simple reason we let daisy go is because of a simple risk reward analysis. He is not the player he was and was demanding to be paid (rightly so because Carlton offered it to him), Elite money. He was elite in 2010. Maybe our most valuable player. Not the same after the injury.
This fact pattern made it impossible for the pies to pay him and impossible for Daisy to stay. |
Bucks pretty much said he wasn't prepared to commit to that sort of coin on a player who had a massive injury cloud hanging over him, but I think he was being polite, Daisy is a fine player when fully fit but he isn't worth 700k.
considering he hardly got on the park for his last 2 years with us I think 350k would have been generous, and I'm sure we would have kept him if he agreed, obviously he didn't.
I know he always played well in big games, but I think he was a very overrated footballer with us, good player but not a star. |
I agree if you are looking at his entire body of work. however, if you focus on the only 8 weeks in the last 23 years that actually made a difference to Collingwood's success, he was an absolute gun (very mnuch a difference maker and worth whatever he was earning and then some in terms of the balue he delivered during that period).
Not to overate the importance of Sheehan's top 50, but Sheehan put daisy at number 8 following the season (which says a lot since he hates Collingwood). |
At his very best he's an elite player, but an AFL season is long and his numbers overall just don't cut the mustard, and they never have, not for an elite player anyway, a player of his type would need to average 25 disposals-2 goals- above average clearances-tackles- high de% to be worth 700kpa, he never ticked any of those boxes, and he never will IMO.
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| qldmagpie67 wrote: | Today I had a catch up with Dayne's father. And as usual I asked how Dayne was travelling. He said he spoke to Dayne last Sunday and he said Dayne felt fantastic and feels like he is running into good form. He said he felt hampered by some sore ribs the past couple of weeks but against the saints he played without any hindrance.
He said Dayne commented how he had been working over time with Bucks and Harvey learning more about being a better mid fielder and finding new ways to impact the game.
He said Dayne had told his management to make contact with Gary Pert ASAP and commence talks in regards to contract extension beyond season 2015 (his contract expired at the end of 2015)
I asked his father why he wanted to start talks so early. He said Dayne was keen to get it sorted as soon as he could so it wouldn't become a distraction in 2015.
I asked him what sort of deal Dayne was after. He said while he didn't know the financial details he said Dayne indicated he would like a 4 or 5 yr deal if the club was keen to lock him down for that long.
He will be 25 next year so a 5 yr deal wouldn't look out of place at all IMO.
With Swanny, Ball and Maxy at the end of there careers (end of 2015 would more than likely see them all out maybe Swan goes one more) there will be cap space to pay him his market value easily.
I think his on around $350k - $400k now so a increase to around $550k - $600k should be easy for us to find and lock him down until the end of 2020.
He would then be a 10 yr player and around 200 - 220 games and then might sign 2yr deals to finish his career.
Ok I am biased as everyone knows towards Dayne but to me it's a no brainer if we can lock him down for another 5yrs without killing our salary cap just do it Mr Pert. |
So mate, he's asking for a trade home. Is his Dad crook or something?
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| stui magpie wrote: | | qldmagpie67 wrote: | Today I had a catch up with Dayne's father. And as usual I asked how Dayne was travelling. He said he spoke to Dayne last Sunday and he said Dayne felt fantastic and feels like he is running into good form. He said he felt hampered by some sore ribs the past couple of weeks but against the saints he played without any hindrance.
He said Dayne commented how he had been working over time with Bucks and Harvey learning more about being a better mid fielder and finding new ways to impact the game.
He said Dayne had told his management to make contact with Gary Pert ASAP and commence talks in regards to contract extension beyond season 2015 (his contract expired at the end of 2015)
I asked his father why he wanted to start talks so early. He said Dayne was keen to get it sorted as soon as he could so it wouldn't become a distraction in 2015.
I asked him what sort of deal Dayne was after. He said while he didn't know the financial details he said Dayne indicated he would like a 4 or 5 yr deal if the club was keen to lock him down for that long.
He will be 25 next year so a 5 yr deal wouldn't look out of place at all IMO.
With Swanny, Ball and Maxy at the end of there careers (end of 2015 would more than likely see them all out maybe Swan goes one more) there will be cap space to pay him his market value easily.
I think his on around $350k - $400k now so a increase to around $550k - $600k should be easy for us to find and lock him down until the end of 2020.
He would then be a 10 yr player and around 200 - 220 games and then might sign 2yr deals to finish his career.
Ok I am biased as everyone knows towards Dayne but to me it's a no brainer if we can lock him down for another 5yrs without killing our salary cap just do it Mr Pert. |
So mate, he's asking for a trade home. Is his Dad crook or something? |
yeah, i think it is prudent to wait for comment before posting anything.
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http://instagram.com/p/szEMk6ID-2/?modal=true
Dayne on his Instagram acount 2 weeks ago said his dad has beat cancer. Can still understand the gravity of the situation would make him want to spend some more time with him in the future.
This is going to set us back significantly. |
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| Az wrote: | http://instagram.com/p/szEMk6ID-2/?modal=true
Dayne on his Instagram acount 2 weeks ago said his dad has beat cancer. Can still understand the gravity of the situation would make him want to spend some more time with him in the future.
This is going to set us back significantly. |
I mentioned this in another thread, Robbo just said his Dad was crook. Cancer was mentioned.
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| Az wrote: | Dayne on his Instagram acount 2 weeks ago said his dad has beat cancer. Can still understand the gravity of the situation would make him want to spend some more time with him in the future.
This is going to set us back significantly. |
This is going to set us back significantly?
This is going to be remembered as the most significant loss to the club and playing-list since the untimely death of Darren Millane in 1991.
There is no upside to this. We will again lose our next captain in waiting, and on field hardnut. Losing Millane set us back 5 years, as will this.
There is not one player on the list capable of replacing Pendles now.
And please don't say that psychologically fragile cripple in Cloke.
People, get used to that sick feeling in the pit of your stomach right now.
It's going to be around for the forseeable future, and playing finals will be but a distant memory, and something destined for other teams now.
I'm not sure i can dig deep enough to follow this circus anymore.
I really admire those of you who can sticker it tougher than i can for 2015 and beyond. But this might very well be the line in the sand for me and AFL.
I doubt i have the patience to endure another list rebuild.
I mean next to death itself, it doesn't get any harder than this.
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I'm not sure i can dig deep enough to follow this circus anymore.
I really admire those of you who can sticker it tougher than i can for 2015 and beyond. But this might very well be the line in the sand for me and AFL.
I doubt i have the patience to endure another list rebuild.
I mean next to death itself, it doesn't get any harder than this.
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Hang in there Dyso. It's in the blood, mate.
The news about Beamer today is probably the worst I've felt since the 2002 grand final loss......2003 and 2011 don't come close, those were disappointing, but nothing like 2002......I was fkukcing shattered that day. 2003 left me angry, 2011 we were done by a far better team and various other internal factors.
Losing Beamer is savage, and again, I'm absolutely shattered. I'm still shaking my head.
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| Didaksgoal wrote: | Hang in there Dyso. It's in the blood, mate.
The news about Beamer today is probably the worst I've felt since the 2002 grand final loss......2003 and 2011 don't come close, those were disappointing, but nothing like 2002......I was fkukcing shattered that day. 2003 left me angry, 2011 we were done by a far better team and various other internal factors.
Losing Beamer is savage, and again, I'm absolutely shattered. I'm still shaking my head.
Go the Pies! |
Oh mate... this feels like Peter Moore leaving after 1982, all over again.
I agree with those assessments of 2002/2003/2011.
Had we lost in 2010, that would have broken me much sooner....
I really am at a loss right now. George Costanza: "Nah, i got nothin'..."
Feel like i've been dumped by a girlfriend, such is the pain.
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People need to chill with the "he beat cancer" line.
If he had cancer this year, then he has cancer. Regardless of the latest scan.
If true, then of course his son wants to go home.
Prudent to wait for all the facts.
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Am I going nuts or is there 2 pages missing from this thread, including an explanation for the whole situation from QldMagpie?
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| think positive wrote: | | Am I going nuts or is there 2 pages missing from this thread, including an explanation for the whole situation from QldMagpie? |
no, check the other thread.
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| piedys wrote: | | Az wrote: | Dayne on his Instagram acount 2 weeks ago said his dad has beat cancer. Can still understand the gravity of the situation would make him want to spend some more time with him in the future.
This is going to set us back significantly. |
This is going to set us back significantly?
This is going to be remembered as the most significant loss to the club and playing-list since the untimely death of Darren Millane in 1991.
There is no upside to this. We will again lose our next captain in waiting, and on field hardnut. Losing Millane set us back 5 years, as will this.
There is not one player on the list capable of replacing Pendles now.
And please don't say that psychologically fragile cripple in Cloke.
People, get used to that sick feeling in the pit of your stomach right now.
It's going to be around for the forseeable future, and playing finals will be but a distant memory, and something destined for other teams now.
I'm not sure i can dig deep enough to follow this circus anymore.
I really admire those of you who can sticker it tougher than i can for 2015 and beyond. But this might very well be the line in the sand for me and AFL.
I doubt i have the patience to endure another list rebuild.
I mean next to death itself, it doesn't get any harder than this.
Dyso |
Jeesus, youd have something to really whinge about if you barracked for the Dogs, Deees, or Saints, haven't won flags since Dinosaurs roamed the earth.  
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