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The Boy Who Cried Wolf
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| masoncox wrote: | With the Treloar trade
i suppose the question should be.
Was Treloar worth basically 2 pick 7's.
The answer is probably not. |
I'm not doubting his ability or worth, although obviously he's been fairly injury prone.
I tend to agree with your feelings although minus his tendency to be injured, and a bit of a one way runner it would be fairly neck and neck.
As to sherrife's post, I have to disagree on JDG - he's an obvious 'match winner' when fit as opposed to Treloar just being a very good cog in the machine when up and going. No one doubts he's far and above Freeman and Sharenberg (which has frankly been a disaster, through no fault of ours). As too Stephenson (whom imo is another potential 'match winner' - and they don't grow on tree's) imo the jury is still out but he'd want to show his real worth in the next year or two or I'd have to also agree with you.
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Presti35 
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To be fair, they've both only played two games.
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masoncox
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Without knocking Treloar who is a very good player.
I just don't think he is a great impact player like Dangerfield and others.
We know that trades and drafts are a lottery.
But still, we are not clear winners in this trade.
We know that the Dangerfield trade was a clear win for Geelong. |
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Pies2016
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| Presti35 wrote: |
To be fair, they've both only played two games. |
And while we’re on that, I’m far from a Puritan but I find the title of the thread marginally offensive. How is Hine an idiot after Riccardi has played only two games. Riccardi has got a long, long way to go before he goes onto to carve out a solid AFL career. One of the knocks on Riccardi is that he’s a bit fairweather and drifts in and out for extended periods. Let’s get a bigger sample size before “ we “ start labelling him as the one that got away.
There’s been plenty of players who set the world on fire after a handful of games but are nowhere to be seen 2 years later.
I also reckon Ruscoe would have preferred to start in a forward line that consisted of Cameron and Himmelberg taking the heat, as opposed to Cameron and Cox ( particularly when one goes into the ruck )
Dave, as someone who follows the draft, you should understand about a players development curve better than most. It’s not often it remains a straight line. |
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Dave The Man 
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Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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[quote="Pies2016"][quote="Presti35"] | Dave The Man wrote: |
Dave, as someone who follows the draft, you should understand about a players development curve better than most. It’s not often it remains a straight line. |
Yes you are Right he might not be able to Back Up his 1st 2 Games but he looks Very Promising and KPF is a Glaring Thing we badly need at the Club.
I have no Problem us Picking Ruscoe but looking back I rather have Riccardi on the List then a Broken Down Reid
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Boogie Knights
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| Didn't champion data rate Riccardi the worst on ground in his 2nd game? |
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stui magpie 
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Good read, cheers Dave.
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inxs88
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| scoobydoo wrote: | | inxs88 wrote: | | masoncox wrote: | | MatthewBoydFanClub wrote: | | Rick wrote: | | Word was we were going to select Riccardi with pick 51 but we traded that pick on draft night for pick 55 which we used on Ruscoe and GWS used 51 on Riccardi instead. |
We were always going to recruit Ruscoe and GWS was always going to recruit Riccardi, but that’s not the point. If we had offloaded more players we could have drafted Riccardi at 51 and still got Ruscoe with a later pick. |
Yep.
The point is not whether we got Player X or Player Y.
It is always part lottery with round 3 picks.
But by keeping players like Reid and Varcoe who were clearly cooked and/or over the hill then we only went to the draft with 3 spots.
And that is the issue. |
120% |
We had just played off in a granny & prelim.
Our window was totally open. We kept those
Senior players as back up, hoping our injury toll
Would turn around this year, it didn’t & those guys
Are playing more than was ever hoped for.
We got plenty of kids & it’s not like anyone
Else rated him (Riccardi). GWS also took a chance on Stewart
How did that work out? Also remember pple in here saying
What a mistake we made. Plenty off genius’ after the fact
Like Dave. |
Yeah we too Jack Ramsay instead (:
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inxs88
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| sherrife wrote: | | masoncox wrote: | With the Treloar trade
i suppose the question should be.
Was Treloar worth basically 2 pick 7's.
The answer is probably not. |
He's a better player than Freeman, Sharenberg, JDG and Stephenson combined, so maybe we should have offered four first rounders?
For real though, the draft is a lottery. Treloar was guaranteed solid gold. I think it was a good deal. It's not the club's fault his hammies were potentially ruined in that freak incident that day. |
We also got a second rd pick back
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dalyc
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| stui magpie wrote: |
Good read, cheers Dave. |
Murdoch paywall ... any chance of an excerpt?
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lisamatty
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Uncle Jack
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| Really a non story at this stage. Trying to pick a winner out of Ruscoe and Riccardi after 2 games where both kicked multiple goals is as crazy as declaring Will Kelly the next Wayne Carey after his first 1 goal game. |
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Johnno75
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Um.....he was involved in all 4 of their final qtr goals tonight kicking 2 himself. Basically won them the game tonight.Giants wanted him at 40 and we preferred to take Ruscoe.
It’s not about comparing the 2 but due to keeping “nice blokes” like Reid, Varcoe and Dunn on our list we didn’t have the list spot to draft both with picks 51 and 55. Having Beams on our list also didn’t help.
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Uncle Jack
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| Johnno75 wrote: | Um.....he was involved in all 4 of their final qtr goals tonight kicking 2 himself. Basically won them the game tonight.Giants wanted him at 40 and we preferred to take Ruscoe.
It’s not about comparing the 2 but due to keeping “nice blokes” like Reid, Varcoe and Dunn on our list we didn’t have the list spot to draft both with picks 51 and 55. Having Beams on our list also didn’t help. |
Yes both would have been nice. |
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Dr Pie
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| Ronnie McKeowns boots wrote: | | To be fair, Cole looked pretty good in the late stages of 2003....as did Matthew Lokan! |
The problem with Richard Cole was that he lived in the house of an Essendon Committee member and had been brought down to Melbourne as a schoolboy by Sheedy and the Essendon recruiters. He was never going to be Cyril Rioli or Leon Davis but he could have been a decent footballer if he hadn't had Essendon blowing in his ear the whole time he was playing at Collingwood.
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