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Skids 
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The most amusing thing in the whole conversation is people believing that we can make some changes and 'control' the climate.
The climate has and always will change, regardless of what the alarmists want to implement.
The media beat this drum so loud and continually, kids are brainwashed, it's an absolute joke.
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Pies4shaw 
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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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I had a read, no disrespect to researchers but when you research bad practice that you're told is best practice......
Dunno if this link will work, it's an Indigenous bloke on SBS Insight explaining why western style forestry management doesn't work on country that was shaped by the first nations.
https://www.facebook.com/InsightSBS/videos/2474854839461043/UzpfSTYwNTA0Mjg1MToxMDE1NzEwMjU4MjAxNzg1Mg/
Assuming it doesn't work, here's a youtube vid of the same bloke on the ABC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ_En7x8tzU
This one is also very good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM72NtXxyLs
We seriously need to tap into Indigenous knowledge to prevent wildfires, recruit teams and let them into the national parks instead of locking it up.
It's absolutely fascinating to hear and see the difference a traditional cool burn makes to the environment rather than the hot burns that come with wild fires or western techniques.
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watt price tully 
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Wokko 
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| It's called weather. |
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watt price tully
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| Wokko wrote: | | It's called weather. |
Correct weight. However the weather we are experiencing moreover the bushfires exist in a context ........ called
Wait for it
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(Don’t mention the war)
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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Hottest day recorded since the white people came with thermometers. 150 years is a blip in the timeline.
P4S, I thought you said the strawmen didn't exist here.
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David 
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Stui, am I dreaming, or is it established scientific consensus that we are, in fact, globally in unprecedented territory with extreme weather conditions, and not merely in the midst of some random blip? Why are we even arguing about this?
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stui magpie
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David, you are dreaming. Nothing we're seeing is unprecedented unless you limit your lens to the past 100 years. I'll add in the morning.
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David
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So all of this is a storm in a teacup and climate scientists have NFI what they’re talking about?
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Woods 
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| There's no such animal as a "climate scientist". |
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Pies4shaw
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| What. No Greta? |
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stui magpie
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| David wrote: | | So all of this is a storm in a teacup and climate scientists have NFI what they’re talking about? |
Climate Change - the place rational discussion goes to die.
I'm not sure why I'm bothering, since you clearly either don't read or understand any of the stuff I've put up, but here goes.
Firstly, non of the global weather is unprecedented if you open your frame of reference beyond the past 150 years. Then you can start to see that the climate has never been stable, it changes.
Nothing in recent Australian weather is unprecedented even in the past 50 years.
What does science know? CO2 is a greenhouse gas and increasing the amount in the atmosphere will have the consequence of warming the planet slightly. They also know that CO2 is far from the only variable to impact our climate, but this fact gets conveniently ignored .
What will the impact of warming, whatever the cause, have on the climate? They don't know. There's various models and ways of modelling that provide varying answers. There's some broad consensus but they can't be sure, meanwhile the evangelists of this new religion leap on the most dire theories, the worst case scenarios, and spout them as fact shrieking emergency, apocalypse, global extinction events and millions dying.
Now here's why I'm not joining in with the herd of lemmings running toward the cliffs.
1. If the world stopped producing CO2 now, it would take 50 years to reduce to pre industrial levels so if we already have CO2 induced climate change, buckle in Princess, we're in for a bumpy ride.
2. If Australia ceased burning and selling fossil fuels tomorrow, the only impact would be to our economy, it would make zero impact to global emissions.
3. China is planning on building more coal fired energy plants as they progress their overhaul of their economy. They'll get the coal from somewhere, and in another 10 years will be single handedly producing enough CO2 to counter even the best efforts of the rest of the globe.
So what do we do?
We tune out the white noise and shrieking and start planning how to reduce our economic and energy reliance on fossil fuels and invest more in renewables. Solar in itself is not a reliable producer of baseload power and the grid is not suited to it, so we need to invest in infrastructure while continuing to use Coal for our baseload but also while reducing our reliance on it.
We start planning on how to better manage forests and agriculture if the temperatures are going to increase. That includes far better water management.
We engage in rational discussion and planning, we stop people from scaring children, we accept that change will take time and prepare to manage the consequences.
Far better plan in my opinion than hyperventilating, hurling insults, shrieking, panicking and protesting.
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Wokko
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You've done well to maintain composure and give a rational, we'll thought out and evidence based approach. I agree 100% with everything you've written , years of following this subject have led me to the same conclusions.
Not sure those who are fanatics of the new religion will pay attention. Like trying to argue religion with a jihadi, you'll just get blown up, they're not listening. |
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