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| What are your thoughts on nude swimming? |
| It should be allowed at all beaches |
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| It shouldn't be allowed at all beaches, but there should be more places where it's acceptable |
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| The current state of affairs is fine |
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| It shouldn't be allowed on any public beach |
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David 
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My point, and I admit that it's conjecture, is that people who are offended are a minority. If you go back to my opening post, I pointed out that Australia has a reputation for being one of the most laidback countries in the world. If that still has any truth to it, and I suspect it does (rampant social conservatism aside), then I think it really would only be a minority who would be genuinely offended by sharing beach space with nude swimmers.
As for this... Jesus Christ, what can you say?
| think positive wrote: | | David wrote: | | think positive wrote: | | No I'm not a prude, but it's nice to keep something's private. Used to piss me off big time when mums had boys, who were of the age where they were well aware of the differences between girls and boys, in the change rooms at swimming lessons. They would sit and gawk. |
I see it as a shame that that healthy curiosity is recast as 'gawking', as if they're already sexual perverts and not simply little boys learning about the human body.
I can guarantee you this, though: one way to turn them into perverts is to fetishise the human body, make it taboo, and only let them see it in a sexualised context. Sadly, that is more or less what our society does.
| think positive wrote: | | You seem obsessed with nakedness, and pornography, and perverts, and pedophiles, so your asking if I'm a prude, are you a pervert? |
And this, right here, is why this issue is so rarely discussed. How absurd that the completely natural and healthy act of swimming naked—as human beings mostly did for millennia, until bathing suits were invented—should be considered a practice for perverts, along with any advocacy of it.
Nude swimming; pornography; sexual disorder: if you can't tell which is the odd one out, I'm not the pervert here. |
Your twisting my words out of context but I really can't be £$%$ed arguing, we've been over it too many times.
Last word is, it wasn't your daughter the little £$%$ers were leering at, not looking at curiously, leering at, and until it is, you won't get it. Quite frankly some of the comments you made in the past about poor old pedophiles and they just can't help it, their free will is compromised, God help your son if he ever needs you. You think your so liberal, with all the "art film" crap, but it's just glorified pornography. Yes porn has its place, in the bedroom between consenting adults, but it doesn't need to be IN MY $£$%^%%$ FACE, ON BILLBOARDS INTO TOWN, OR ON THE BEACH. mate I don't think your some special kind of being because your so 'open' to everything from beastiality to kiddy porn, I just think your perverted. |
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| David wrote: | | My point, and I admit that it's conjecture, is that people who are offended are a minority. If you go back to my opening post, I pointed out that Australia has a reputation for being one of the most laidback countries in the world. If that still has any truth to it, and I suspect it does (rampant social conservatism aside), then I think it really would only be a minority who would be genuinely offended by sharing beach space with nude swimmers. |
No, we are not a minority. That's the whole POINT. Or you'd be winning the poll!
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David
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I don't think either of us actually know for a fact what the majority view is out there; perhaps, at the end of the day, given that we live in a country that elected Tony "no more carbon tax" Abbott, we shouldn't expect a great deal of open-mindedness or progressive thinking from the general public.
I still definitely think there's at least a tolerance in the general community for a greater number of clothing-optional beaches, and more accessible ones too. But so long as people like you summarise this argument as "I don't want to see porn on the beach" and cast its instigators as perverts, we're not going to get very far. It's sometimes a wonder we ever emerged out of the 1950s here, to be honest.
(I did laugh about your "art film" comment, though—thanks.  )
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| David wrote: | | My point, and I admit that it's conjecture, is that people who are offended are a minority. If you go back to my opening post, I pointed out that Australia has a reputation for being one of the most laidback countries in the world. If that still has any truth to it, and I suspect it does (rampant social conservatism aside), then I think it really would only be a minority who would be genuinely offended by sharing beach space with nude swimmers. |
See now you have caused yourself a world of pain - what is genuine offence?
I wonder how many people are " genuinely" offended by the things that they say, post, tweet that they are offended about - and yes guilty on occasion as charged Your Honour!
Personally I think Australia has become less laid back than it once was - and I reckon there would be general uprise in the name of the it must be " family friendly" brigade ( I am way over this crap - no you cannot have a drink in public this is a family friendly event  ) if they came across nude bathers.
My beef with the cover up ban in the article was this is just more restriction to appease a minority group - again no issue with specific times for any group but it cannot and should not be applied in a more general way i.e public events open to all comers.
As I said I avoid any place with lots of humans clothed or not  I prefer critters they tend not to be as judgemental and I just like them better 
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Tannin
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| Morrigu wrote: | | I prefer critters they tend not to be as judgemental and I just like them better |
^ Yes, they don't have so many human hangups and perversions. Probably because they almost never wear clothes on the beach.
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| David wrote: | I don't think either of us actually know for a fact what the majority view is out there; perhaps, at the end of the day, given that we live in a country that elected Tony "no more carbon tax" Abbott, we shouldn't expect a great deal of open-mindedness or progressive thinking from the general public.
I still definitely think there's at least a tolerance in the general community for a greater number of clothing-optional beaches, and more accessible ones too. But so long as people like you summarise this argument as "I don't want to see porn on the beach" and cast its instigators as perverts, we're not going to get very far. It's sometimes a wonder we ever emerged out of the 1950s here, to be honest.
(I did laugh about your "art film" comment, though—thanks. ) |
It's just overload David. I don't think many blokes really want to see naked bodies everywhere. And I know darn well that woman DONT! Woman like to see things aesthetically, maybe that seems too simplistic, but gees, there is a roaring trade in nice decorative prices, wether furniture, clothes etc, and just like hawthorns colours, there ain't no way to make dangly bits attractive.
It's embarrassment too. You just don't know where to look. And no I don't want it to become the norm. I like a bit of mystery, A bit of taboo. Take a look at a South American beach, Brazil, thong bikinis, sexy pert arse cheeks sticking out, cleavage, that's far more attractive than pubic hairs and flaps! Same goes for men. I love a six pack, and those lines pointing down there, but stop at the pubes please, put them away! A bit of mystery. Call me shallow I really don't give a shit. Call me a prude, but I don't want to show it, and I don't want to see it.
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| Tannin wrote: | | Morrigu wrote: | | I prefer critters they tend not to be as judgemental and I just like them better |
^ Yes, they don't have so many human hangups and perversions. Probably because they almost never wear clothes on the beach. |
Most have fur or feathers hiding their bits too! Except baboon arses, now there's a pretty sight!
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David
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| think positive wrote: | | It's just overload David. I don't think many blokes really want to see naked bodies everywhere. And I know darn well that woman DONT! Woman like to see things aesthetically, maybe that seems too simplistic, but gees, there is a roaring trade in nice decorative prices, wether furniture, clothes etc, and just like hawthorns colours, there ain't no way to make dangly bits attractive. |
A key point here, though, is that nude swimmers (or non-nude swimmers, for that matter) aren't generally choosing what they wear for your benefit. It's actually considered rude to stare at people. Why not just not look at them?
I can't see how it should be a fundamental right to only have people who you like looking at within your line of sight at any point in time. You may not like looking at obese people in speedos or bikinis, but if you have any respect you would choose not to stare, leave them to swim in peace or, if you must, make an effort to look in the other direction. Is a naked person at the beach so different?
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What'sinaname
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The only tackle we need to see at a beach is what's used to catch fish.
The lack of body hair tells me humans aren't meant to be nude.
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David
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Traditional hunter-gatherer societies in Equatorial climates beg to differ.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_nudity
| Quote: | In some hunter-gatherer cultures in warm climates, nudity (or near-complete nudity) has been, until the introduction of Western culture or Islam, or still is, the social norm for both men and women.
Complete nudity among men and complete or near-complete nudity among women is still common for Mursi, Surma, Nuba, Karimojong, Kirdi, Dinka and sometimes Massai people in Africa, as well as Matses, Yanomami, Suruwaha, Xingu, Matis and Galdu people in South America. Many indigenous peoples in Africa and South America train and perform sport competitions naked. Nuba people in South Sudan and xingu tribe in the Amazon region in Brazil, for example, wrestle naked, whereas Dinka, Surma and Mursi in South Sudan and Ethiopia, arrange stick fights. Indian male monks Digambara practice yoga naked (or sky-clad, as they prefer to call it). With the ever increasing influences of Western and Muslim cultures, these traditions may soon vanish though.
In some African and Melanesian cultures, men going completely naked except for a string tied about the waist are considered properly dressed for hunting and other traditional group activities. In a number of tribes in the South Pacific island of New Guinea, men use hard gourdlike pods as penis sheaths. Yet a man without this "covering" could be considered to be in an embarrassing state of nakedness. Among the Chumash people of southern California, men were usually naked, and women were often topless. Native Americans of the Amazon Basin usually went nude or nearly nude; in many native tribes, the only clothing worn was some device worn by men to clamp the foreskin shut. However, other similar cultures have had different standards. For example, other native North Americans avoided total nudity, and the Native Americans of the mountains and west of South America, such as the Quechuas, kept quite covered. These taboos normally only applied to adults; Native American children often went naked until puberty if the weather permitted (a 10-year old Pocahontas scandalized the Jamestown settlers by appearing at their camp in the nude). |
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swoop42 
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I'd post a picture of my body hair but I'm scared some NRA card carrier would want to hunt, kill and eat me.
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stui magpie 
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| swoop42 wrote: | | I'd post a picture of my body hair but I'm scared some NRA card carrier would want to hunt, kill and eat me. |
You're sexy and you know it.
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What'sinaname
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| stui magpie wrote: | | swoop42 wrote: | | I'd post a picture of my body hair but I'm scared some NRA card carrier would want to hunt, kill and eat me. |
You're sexy and you know it.
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lol that he's losing the hair on his head.
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Tannin
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| What'sinaname wrote: | The only tackle we need to see at a beach is what's used to catch fish.
The lack of body hair tells me humans aren't meant to be nude. |
Correct. We should always cover up everything except the hairy bits.
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| What'sinaname wrote: | The only tackle we need to see at a beach is what's used to catch fish.
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Yep!
Laying on the beach in my wetsuit today, happy no one rolled me back in!
God I love summer!
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