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sherrife wrote: | To blame the LGBTI community for the fact that many of their members commit suicide is more than ludicrous, it's disgusting. |
you guys are reading into things. he didn't even come close to suggesting that. |
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sherrife
Victorian Socialists - people before profit
Joined: 17 Apr 2003
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Northern Pie wrote: | The pressure put on high profile people to declare their sexuality has only caused more harm to the cause of gay and lesbian rights.
You have failed to answer my earlier hypothetical question about what the reaction would be if Ian took his own life because of the constant pressure to declare his sexuality!
(I still wonder how he would be treated if he came out and said "Yes I am gay and I have a male partner, but I do not want anything to do with the gay community or be a spokesperson for gay rights, I just wish to be left alone!" the Gay community would crucify him for sure!)
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Sounds to me that NP has a bit of a vendetta against 'the LGBTI community', and feels they are to blame for much of the pressure faced by LGBTI people. _________________ I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks... - Eugene Debs |
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Northern Pie
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Joined: 27 May 2001 Location: Queensland
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I think you misread what I was saying....I did at no time associate blame to the Lesbain and Gay community causing their members to suicide. I also agree with your statement concerning the reason why many do commit suicide.
I was merely asking what the reaction would be if Ian Thorpe or any other high profile person did commit suicide and left a note stating that the constant pressure by the media to declare my sexuality and the harassment they received drove them to a point where they felt they could no longer live in a world of such puerile gossip and innuendo, and a world where they are unable to live their lives and make choices according to the dictates of their own personal convictions!
I said "The pressure put on high profile people to declare their sexuality has only caused more harm to the cause of gay and lesbian rights." by this I am saying that because of the amount of pressure coming from within the said community, people in high profile positions are less likely to come forward and declare their sexuality and I am sure in a majority of cases make them become more reclusive concerning their sexuality, causing them to deny it and, in some cases outwardly become an advocate against gay rights while secretly hiding their homosexual relationship. So you tell me, which is worse?
Quote: | To blame the LGBTI community for the fact that many of their members commit suicide is more than ludicrous, it's disgusting. |
I agree, if that is what I was actually doing, I would be disgusted at myself also...
Cheers _________________ “NEVER LEAVE, NEVER GIVE UP ON THEM AND ALWAYS BE THERE AT THE END TO CLAP THEM OFF THE GROUND. WE ARE COLLINGWOOD SUPPORTERS SON, EVEN IF THEY BEAT US, WE ARE STILL BETTER THAN THEM”!(my mum) |
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Northern Pie
We are watching!
Joined: 27 May 2001 Location: Queensland
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sherrife wrote: | Northern Pie wrote: | The pressure put on high profile people to declare their sexuality has only caused more harm to the cause of gay and lesbian rights.
You have failed to answer my earlier hypothetical question about what the reaction would be if Ian took his own life because of the constant pressure to declare his sexuality!
(I still wonder how he would be treated if he came out and said "Yes I am gay and I have a male partner, but I do not want anything to do with the gay community or be a spokesperson for gay rights, I just wish to be left alone!" the Gay community would crucify him for sure!)
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Sounds to me that NP has a bit of a vendetta against 'the LGBTI community', and feels they are to blame for much of the pressure faced by LGBTI people. |
Quite the opposite mate....you have obviously read and deciphered according to what you wanted to see rather than what I was actually stating...rather than try and make some sort of accusation regarding my feelings towards the gay and lesbian (good point Dave) community...answer the questions...I am actually curious to know what the reactions would be and admit I did make an assumption concerning how the community would react to the hypothetical I posed in the last part of your selective quoting but I am more than happy to be proven wrong by a solid constructive discussion rather than just get labeled and you move along...
Cheers _________________ “NEVER LEAVE, NEVER GIVE UP ON THEM AND ALWAYS BE THERE AT THE END TO CLAP THEM OFF THE GROUND. WE ARE COLLINGWOOD SUPPORTERS SON, EVEN IF THEY BEAT US, WE ARE STILL BETTER THAN THEM”!(my mum)
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Northern Pie
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Joined: 27 May 2001 Location: Queensland
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Thanks for clearing that up Tess, I was unaware of the actual logistics behind the decision...I would certainly be a little cautious of the hormone blocking though, as I saw a report about the effects it had on Nadia Comaneci, she was given hormone blocking treatment and it apparently had serious repercussion on her ability to have children etc, but if it is medically monitored in a way that does not cause detriment to her if she chooses to retain her womanhood then that is certainly a good thing...
I certainly do hope that whatever she chooses she is given the support and love of those who are willing to ensure that she has a full and fruitful life. I also hope that this will include her father.
Cheers _________________ “NEVER LEAVE, NEVER GIVE UP ON THEM AND ALWAYS BE THERE AT THE END TO CLAP THEM OFF THE GROUND. WE ARE COLLINGWOOD SUPPORTERS SON, EVEN IF THEY BEAT US, WE ARE STILL BETTER THAN THEM”!(my mum) |
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David
to wish impossible things
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: the edge of the deep green sea
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Just a minor quibble, why do we keep referring to the 'LGBTI community'? What does that actually mean? Is there some secret organization to which every homosexual, bisexual and transgender person belongs? Who exactly represents this 'community'?
Phrases like these can be confusing if they're not more carefully defined. _________________ "Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange |
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Alec. J. Hidell
Joined: 12 May 2007
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The opening post contains the words
"Ho Hum ..... What a Shock"
This infers that the author 'knows' that Thorpe is gay and it is no shock to 'those in the know'.
Thorpe then says he has a new female girl friend and does not in away say he is gay.
Therefore, Isn't the Gay and Lesbian community (or perhaps just the author) guilty of the very thing they accuse straight people of, in making an assumption about a persons sexual preferences.
Thorpe is in effect saying he is straight, where does the Ho Hum, what a shock, comment come from?
What evidence is there that Thorpe is not exactly as he says he is, straight? _________________ The one man in the world, who never believes he is mad, is the madman. |
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Mr. Chairman
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I think when he says LGBTI he means Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transexual and I've no idea what the I stands for. _________________ He won't be going anywhere
I have it on good authority
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Mr. Chairman
Joined: 21 May 2005
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^^ rough deal there. _________________ He won't be going anywhere
I have it on good authority
It's a done deal |
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bucksisgod
Joined: 21 Jul 2006 Location: Rock hard
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Yeah well, anyway.....This was in Sydney papers today.
Quote: | Former swimming champion Ian Thorpe has nudged one step closer to diving into the deep end of his famously private love life.
But it may not create the splash most were anticipating.
After quitting his swimming career to get a life and lessen the intense media scrutiny, the Thorpedo has once again created ripples after last week announcing he was in love with "a special someone".
After initially refusing to reveal the gender of his "newbie" love, the master of suspense yesterday announced it was indeed a female who has caught his eye.
"I am in a new relationship and I am very happy . . . except she lives on the other side of the world," Thorpe told Woman's Day.
"It's very cool, but we want to see how it goes. She's a friend of a friend and we were introduced.
"She has all the qualities that are most important to me."[quote/]
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,24056384-5006002,00.html
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Looks like he's a Breaststroker _________________ Need a pen? try Pen Island. www. penisland. net |
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Alec. J. Hidell
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Either that or some sexists were just making wild assumptions based on the way someone looks.
Go figure _________________ The one man in the world, who never believes he is mad, is the madman. |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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bucksisgod wrote: | Yeah well, anyway.....This was in Sydney papers today.
Quote: | Former swimming champion Ian Thorpe has nudged one step closer to diving into the deep end of his famously private love life.
But it may not create the splash most were anticipating.
After quitting his swimming career to get a life and lessen the intense media scrutiny, the Thorpedo has once again created ripples after last week announcing he was in love with "a special someone".
After initially refusing to reveal the gender of his "newbie" love, the master of suspense yesterday announced it was indeed a female who has caught his eye.
"I am in a new relationship and I am very happy . . . except she lives on the other side of the world," Thorpe told Woman's Day.
"It's very cool, but we want to see how it goes. She's a friend of a friend and we were introduced.
"She has all the qualities that are most important to me."[quote/]
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,24056384-5006002,00.html
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Looks like he's a Breaststroker |
Plenty of people will still reckon he's a freestyler though _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Piethagoras' Theorem
the hypotenuse, is always a cakewalk
Joined: 29 May 2006
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For her sake I hope she's got a large shoe box _________________ Formally frankiboy and FrankieGoesToCollingwood. |
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Proud Pies
Joined: 22 Feb 2003 Location: Knox-ish
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but some people will never believe it even if he says it on tv, marries, has kids.........
of course, either way it's non of our business and he shouldn't have to come out and explicitly say either way. But there are people around (on here too) who demand he come out as gay,
Will they be happy now? _________________ Jacqui © Proud Pies 2003 and beyond |
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Jason
Joined: 15 Sep 2007 Location: Mackay
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Obviously he's in denial |
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