 |
|
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
watt price tully 
Joined: 15 May 2007
|
| Post subject: |  |
|
Laird wrote:
Does this mean I know more than you? Of course not. I apologise if I came across that way.
As a Christian, the last thing I want is to upset/piss off/ put down anyone.
If you feel I have done any of the above, I sincerely apologise mate.
Never my intention.[/quote]
WPT replied:
Well I'll be a Monkey's uncle 
Thank you for your kind reflective words.
I'll stick to the Kinkster 
May the God of your choice bless and keep you. I respect Him as long as He does not circumcise me anymore.
(could be an idea for my new signature)
Mind you he also said this:
Well, I just said that Jesus and I were both Jewish and that neither of us ever had a job, we never had a home, we never married and we traveled around the countryside irritating people.
_________________
“I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
|
|
|
 |
stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
Location: In flagrante delicto
|
| Post subject: | |
|
I found this a very good take on it.
| Quote: | LETS get one thing straight; every attack perpetrated by Islamic extremists is an attack against freedom of speech, whether theyre terrorising journalists and cartoonists at a satirical magazine in Paris or bystanders having a quiet coffee in Sydney.
These callous cowards seek to silence dissenting voices by waging a war of terror against anyone who dares question their twisted, totalitarian worldview.
The time for weasel words and treading on eggshells is over. We owe it to the growing number of victims to open our eyes and acknowledge the unmistakable reality that radical Islam and Western values cannot coexist peacefully.
These extremists despise our way of life; our freedom, openness and diversity are an affront to their despotic, backward attitudes.
We must stop pretending that these incidents have nothing to do with Islam. They quite clearly have everything to do with extremist Islam and the sooner we admit this truth the better we can work to protect our people and values from this ever-present scourge.
Islamic extremism is a global problem that moderate, peaceful Muslims need to unconditionally condemn and help solve instead of engaging in games of deflection. |
Read the rest of the article
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/radical-islam-and-western-values-cannot-coexist-peacefully/story-fni0fhh1-1227178804093
_________________
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
|
|
|
|
swoop42 
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
Joined: 02 Aug 2008
Location: The 18
|
| Post subject: | |
|
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100073809/practising-muslims-will-very-soon-overtake-weekly-churchgoers-in-britain/
Article from 2011.
You see this has me worried about any attempts to quell Muslim extremism into the future.
I think it's only going to get much worse.
Not because I feel that the vast majority of Muslims have extremist intent it's because (according to this article) of those who identify themselves as Muslim 80% are practising ones compared to Christians at only 30%.
This strikes me as a level of unhealthy fanaticism amongst followers of Islam and with that level of fanaticism amongst those even considered moderate it's no wonder you are going to get a small but not entirely insignificant proportion turning to more radical Islamic teachings over time.
P.S-One thing that should always get factored into any debate about Muslim extremism is that most of the death toll is Muslim and the major fighting could well be described as a civil war between Sunni and Shia followers of Islam.
I think this point is highly importantly as you feel there could be a number of people in positions of power in the Islamic world capable of making a difference ones who while not condoning the barbarity of the violence could be to sympathetic and apathetic to the actions of groups because of differing factors throughout that specific region, the shared history between the factions of Islam and which side of the fence they sit on.
_________________
He's mad. He's bad. He's MaynHARD! |
|
|
|
|
David 
to wish impossible things
Joined: 27 Jul 2003
Location: the edge of the deep green sea
|
| Post subject: | |
|
^ Keep in mind though that the percentage of Muslims in most Western countries is quite small. 2% here, if I'm correct. Even if 100% of them take their religion seriously, that's still a small minority. I mean, there are five times as many Greens voters!
While seeing that number pass the percentage of regular churchgoers is likely to whip the sort of people who bang on about "Judeo-Christian heritage" into a frenzy, what that really shows is how dominant secularism has become in the West. That's a good thing, not a bad thing, because it shows that neither Islam nor Christianity will have any power in our societies in the years and decades to come.
_________________
"Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange |
|
|
|
|
1061
Joined: 06 Sep 2013
|
| Post subject: | |
|
This from Stui's post has me asking David, please stop.
| Quote: | | Islamic extremism is a global problem that moderate, peaceful Muslims need to unconditionally condemn and help solve instead of engaging in games of deflection. |
|
|
|
|
|
swoop42
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
Joined: 02 Aug 2008
Location: The 18
|
| Post subject: | |
|
| David wrote: | ^ Keep in mind though that the percentage of Muslims in most Western countries is quite small. 2% here, if I'm correct. Even if 100% of them take their religion seriously, that's still a small minority. I mean, there are five times as many Greens voters!
While seeing that number pass the percentage of regular churchgoers is likely to whip the sort of people who bang on about "Judeo-Christian heritage" into a frenzy, what that really shows is how dominant secularism has become in the West. That's a good thing, not a bad thing, because it shows that neither Islam nor Christianity will have any power in our societies in the years and decades to come. |
Beg to differ on the Islam part.
Greatly.
As the stats show there love of actively participating in there faith doesn't appear to be on the wane unlike Christianity and while they might make up a small percentage in a country like Australia in many countries they would represent 98% of the population.
This situation is only going to get worse IMO in the years and decades to come.
_________________
He's mad. He's bad. He's MaynHARD! |
|
|
|
|
swoop42
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
Joined: 02 Aug 2008
Location: The 18
|
| Post subject: | |
|
The French police closing in and have them surrounded apparently in an industrial area though it's being reported the terrorists have hostages.
Pretty sure they stated that the town where this is taking place is under 15km from a major airport.
I wonder if they were wanting to make it that far and employ the reported RPG they had on an aircraft?
_________________
He's mad. He's bad. He's MaynHARD! |
|
|
|
|
HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
Joined: 17 Mar 2003
|
| Post subject: | |
|
| Who are "they" again? |
|
|
|
|
sixpoints
Joined: 27 Sep 2010
Location: Lulie Street
|
|
|
|
|
David
to wish impossible things
Joined: 27 Jul 2003
Location: the edge of the deep green sea
|
| Post subject: | |
|
| swoop42 wrote: | | David wrote: | ^ Keep in mind though that the percentage of Muslims in most Western countries is quite small. 2% here, if I'm correct. Even if 100% of them take their religion seriously, that's still a small minority. I mean, there are five times as many Greens voters!
While seeing that number pass the percentage of regular churchgoers is likely to whip the sort of people who bang on about "Judeo-Christian heritage" into a frenzy, what that really shows is how dominant secularism has become in the West. That's a good thing, not a bad thing, because it shows that neither Islam nor Christianity will have any power in our societies in the years and decades to come. |
Beg to differ on the Islam part.
Greatly.
As the stats show there love of actively participating in there faith doesn't appear to be on the wane unlike Christianity and while they might make up a small percentage in a country like Australia in many countries they would represent 98% of the population.
This situation is only going to get worse IMO in the years and decades to come. |
On the contrary, I'd wager that when it comes to the grandchildren of Muslim immigrants to Australia, the majority will be atheist or at most nominal Muslims (i.e. non-practising). When it comes to minority groups, far more likely for mainstream society to change them than the other way around.
_________________
"Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange |
|
|
|
|
Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007
Location: Between London and Melbourne
|
| Post subject: | |
|
| David wrote: | | swoop42 wrote: | | David wrote: | ^ Keep in mind though that the percentage of Muslims in most Western countries is quite small. 2% here, if I'm correct. Even if 100% of them take their religion seriously, that's still a small minority. I mean, there are five times as many Greens voters!
While seeing that number pass the percentage of regular churchgoers is likely to whip the sort of people who bang on about "Judeo-Christian heritage" into a frenzy, what that really shows is how dominant secularism has become in the West. That's a good thing, not a bad thing, because it shows that neither Islam nor Christianity will have any power in our societies in the years and decades to come. |
Beg to differ on the Islam part.
Greatly.
As the stats show there love of actively participating in there faith doesn't appear to be on the wane unlike Christianity and while they might make up a small percentage in a country like Australia in many countries they would represent 98% of the population.
This situation is only going to get worse IMO in the years and decades to come. |
On the contrary, I'd wager that when it comes to the grandchildren of Muslim immigrants to Australia, the majority will be atheist or at most nominal Muslims (i.e. non-practising). When it comes to minority groups, far more likely for mainstream society to change them than the other way around. |
So far, David, the evidence seems to be that the second and third generation immigrants are far more likely to go rogue. The first generation immigrants are relatively content with the security, pluralism and institutional predictability that characterises most developed socieities. It is those who take these for granted who then hear the siren call of identity politics. There are of coiuse exceptions such as the loathsome Abu Hamza et al, but they can at least be deported.
_________________
Two more flags before I die! |
|
|
|
|
swoop42
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
Joined: 02 Aug 2008
Location: The 18
|
| Post subject: | |
|
Being reported that there is one female hostage inside the printing business.
Talk about the worst luck in the world for the poor woman.
What's the odds these two nutters turn up on your door step?
Also being reported (though not being disclosed) that these brothers had another attack planned but this has now been thwarted.
This siege is taking place close to 3 schools so hope these sick pricks weren't planning to slaughter a bunch of children.
_________________
He's mad. He's bad. He's MaynHARD! |
|
|
|
|
watt price tully
Joined: 15 May 2007
|
| Post subject: | |
|
| 1061 wrote: | This from Stui's post has me asking David, please stop.
| Quote: | | Islamic extremism is a global problem that moderate, peaceful Muslims need to unconditionally condemn and help solve instead of engaging in games of deflection. |
|
Either you're being wilfully disingenuous to try & have a go at David or you're not understanding what he posts.
Please stop.
This is errant nonsense & is not based on what David has posted unless you're deliberately misinterpreting him.
_________________
“I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
|
|
|
|
watt price tully
Joined: 15 May 2007
|
| Post subject: | |
|
| David wrote: | | swoop42 wrote: | | David wrote: | ^ Keep in mind though that the percentage of Muslims in most Western countries is quite small. 2% here, if I'm correct. Even if 100% of them take their religion seriously, that's still a small minority. I mean, there are five times as many Greens voters!
While seeing that number pass the percentage of regular churchgoers is likely to whip the sort of people who bang on about "Judeo-Christian heritage" into a frenzy, what that really shows is how dominant secularism has become in the West. That's a good thing, not a bad thing, because it shows that neither Islam nor Christianity will have any power in our societies in the years and decades to come. |
Beg to differ on the Islam part.
Greatly.
As the stats show there love of actively participating in there faith doesn't appear to be on the wane unlike Christianity and while they might make up a small percentage in a country like Australia in many countries they would represent 98% of the population.
This situation is only going to get worse IMO in the years and decades to come. |
On the contrary, I'd wager that when it comes to the grandchildren of Muslim immigrants to Australia, the majority will be atheist or at most nominal Muslims (i.e. non-practising). When it comes to minority groups, far more likely for mainstream society to change them than the other way around. |
To soon know. Lebanese Muslims for example are over-represented in prisons, crime & violence, unemployment, lower educational outcomes etc compared to other ethnic groups. This does not augur well for your wager.
_________________
“I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman
Last edited by watt price tully on Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:40 pm; edited 2 times in total |
|
|
|
|
1061
Joined: 06 Sep 2013
|
| Post subject: | |
|
I'm just sick and tired of the apologists who seem to be more interested in long winded BS postings that seems to my eyes as I read to be deflecting from what once again to me eyes is a black and white issue.
The issue is Bad people doing bad things in the name of ISLAM.
Black/White. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum
|
|
The Rules
FAQ
Usergroups
Calendar
Search
Log in
Register
