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David 
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Yeah, this stuff doesn't sit well with me either. All art borrows to an extent, and some of these music lawsuits have more to do with coincidence and opportunism than anything resembling genuine plagiarism.
| Dangles wrote: | | David wrote: | | Dangles wrote: | What pisses me off?
Thinking about my twenties and how they weren't even close to what I wanted them to be. |
I feel the same about my teenage years. What would you change about them, if you could? |
I forgot to ask you why your teenage years weren't what you wanted them to be. How self obsessed of me.  |
All good. I was home-schooled up until the age of 16, which meant I had a pretty lonely childhood and early adolescence. Didn't have any friends until much later on. I went to school in year 11 and 12, and did ok academically, but it was a hard road socially. I went out with a girl for the first time at the age of 19, but it was only really when I hit my 20s that I felt particularly competent at anything (not that I always do nowadays!).
I guess I don't spend too much time regretting any of it. I can't take it back, and it's what shaped me, so what's the point? But I sometimes feel a tiny twinge of jealousy when I hear of other people's positive experiences in and memories of high school, friendships, etc. But at the same time I realise that those years are a challenge for everyone in some way or other.
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Dangles
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| How did you get to socialize with kids your own age if you didn't go to school? |
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David
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The Christian homeschooling group my family belonged to in Canberra had about 20-30 families, and we'd meet up at a community centre or excursion about once or twice a month. Unfortunately there was a fair age range there and while my older brother had at least half a dozen kids in his age group, I had pretty much no-one there my age. So I generally hung out with him and his friends when I could, but it's hard when you're the little brother in that situation.
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Wokko 
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How did you end up so far to the left without public school indoctrination. I thought that Christians home schooled to avoid degeneracy  |
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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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Combination of bad influences after escaping the nest and rebelling against his parents.  
Look at some of his stuff from 10 years ago, he used to be right wing. He's doing this backwards.
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Dangles
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| David wrote: | | The Christian homeschooling group my family belonged to in Canberra had about 20-30 families, and we'd meet up at a community centre or excursion about once or twice a month. Unfortunately there was a fair age range there and while my older brother had at least half a dozen kids in his age group, I had pretty much no-one there my age. So I generally hung out with him and his friends when I could, but it's hard when you're the little brother in that situation. |
Sounds pretty crappy. I know about the brother thing. My oldest son has very little time for his younger brother. I feel sorry for the little fella.
So how do you feel about Christianity these days? |
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David
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Combination of bad influences after escaping the nest and rebelling against his parents. |
Actually, neither are really true. I never felt an urge to 'rebel', as such – my first real split with their lifestyle revolved around, of all things, my desire to play football on Saturdays, and by that stage I was already thinking and living pretty independently from them. My older brother, on the other hand, actively had to fight for a lot of basic stuff, so I think he had and still has a much more rebellious streak in him than I do. I don't carry anywhere near the resentment towards my upbringing that he does.
As for politics, I certainly took a much more conservative stance on some social issues in my teenage years, but I don't think any of my fundamental beliefs have really changed since then. Most of the stuff I wrote when I was 15, 16 was just a reflection of the milieu I'd grown up in, really – I really wasn't thinking about some of these things in a lot of depth. I even think back to when I first voted at the age of 19 (it was for Howard against Rudd) and I honestly had a pretty facile understanding of what each of them stood for and what each party's policies were.
Dangles, when it comes to Christianity I sort of sit somewhere between the New Atheists and more of a 'live and let live' approach. I'm all for religious freedom and I think Christianity can achieve a lot of good (indeed, I wonder if our society is losing some of its 'Christian' principles to its detriment). But I also kind of see religion as essentially irrational, and do find it hard to understand sometimes why people in this day and age still believe in God. It's also worth noting that there's a really significant difference between mainstream Christianity and the faith I was raised in, so my experiences are pretty specific and hard to generalise about – basically, I grew up being taught that mainstream Christianity was pagan and immoral. So I always felt a bit like an outsider looking in, even then.
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stui magpie
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Mainstream christianity IS essentially paganism rebadged with some borrowing from Egypt,
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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| Are they exactly the same? |
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Pies4shaw 
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| More or less, HAL. There are possibly fewer fairies in Mainstream Christianity - but it's very much a line-ball. |
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HAL
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The AAMI ad where the old bloke drives off the road, through a fence, through a paddock and crashes into a tree.
He has the ability to use the AAMI mobile app and google Alpaca's but when it comes to hitting the brakes.... **** that... a tree will slow this £$%$er down.
If I was his passenger, I'd have made him wear the Alpaca jumper and thrown him out of the car and the let Nick Riewoldt's have their way with him... multiple times... |
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Bruce Gonsalves
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | | David wrote: | Speaking of which, I thought this was rather amusing. Which perhaps doesn't make it the greatest fit for this thread, but I feel there's some chance it might piss you off, P4S.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4tp_yHBi3g |
It's not as funny as Rolf Harris' wobble-board version - but I guess we're not allowed to watch that now.
Anyway, since Zep, magical as they were, frequently covered other people's stuff, it's fair enough for talentless hacks to have a bit of a bash at taking all of the music back out of one of their songs.
Of course, if you're going to be a cover band, you've got to know whose versions of which songs to cover - and Zep certainly understood that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp0jZ4BGuDw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5nSD26Kmpw&nohtml5=False
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLQrVrUEdwM&nohtml5=False
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy2tEP3I3DM
Some of their numbers are harder than others to turn into hokey country crap, of course. I'd like to see someone do that to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0YoKzsjE-0&nohtml5=False
Oh, wait ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgzs6pT26KI&nohtml5=False |
And in a rare display of complete judicial over-reach a US District Court judge has found sufficient similarity between Spirit's song "Taurus" and "Stairway to Heaven" to enable a copyright infringement claim to proceed: http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/music/led-zeppelin-stars-to-face-trial-over-stealing-stairway-to-heaven-20160412-go3zki.html
Here's the Spirit song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFHLO_2_THg
There must be about 86 trillion songs written since the 17th century containing those chords. Personally, I would have trashed the claim on the basis that neither song contains any original harmonic content (cf the Zombies or Big Brother and the Holding Company performing Summertime using the very same progression), that the chord progression was actually "invented" 500 years ago by a very bored child with a lute and that all the "invention" in Stairway to Heaven is in the collective performance.
If anyone doubts the accuracy of that last point, a brief listen to "Taurus" should serve to persuade.
Ask yourself the really important question - if Stairway to Heaven had never been performed, would any more people have listened to Spirit? |
Don't think the Zeps have anything to worry about, check out some youtube clips of ' O'Carolans Dream' played acoustically, written by an ancestor of mine back in the 1700's. A decent lawyer will get it sorted. |
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Dangles
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| David wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | ^
Combination of bad influences after escaping the nest and rebelling against his parents. |
Actually, neither are really true. I never felt an urge to 'rebel', as such – my first real split with their lifestyle revolved around, of all things, my desire to play football on Saturdays, and by that stage I was already thinking and living pretty independently from them. My older brother, on the other hand, actively had to fight for a lot of basic stuff, so I think he had and still has a much more rebellious streak in him than I do. I don't carry anywhere near the resentment towards my upbringing that he does.
As for politics, I certainly took a much more conservative stance on some social issues in my teenage years, but I don't think any of my fundamental beliefs have really changed since then. Most of the stuff I wrote when I was 15, 16 was just a reflection of the milieu I'd grown up in, really – I really wasn't thinking about some of these things in a lot of depth. I even think back to when I first voted at the age of 19 (it was for Howard against Rudd) and I honestly had a pretty facile understanding of what each of them stood for and what each party's policies were.
Dangles, when it comes to Christianity I sort of sit somewhere between the New Atheists and more of a 'live and let live' approach. I'm all for religious freedom and I think Christianity can achieve a lot of good (indeed, I wonder if our society is losing some of its 'Christian' principles to its detriment). But I also kind of see religion as essentially irrational, and do find it hard to understand sometimes why people in this day and age still believe in God. It's also worth noting that there's a really significant difference between mainstream Christianity and the faith I was raised in, so my experiences are pretty specific and hard to generalise about – basically, I grew up being taught that mainstream Christianity was pagan and immoral. So I always felt a bit like an outsider looking in, even then. |
I was a Christian for a number of years but I went through a process of becoming disillusioned and coming acros the writings of the New Atheists completed the process for me, Dawkins in particular. The religious thinking can still creep in from time to time and I can catch myself subconsciously thinking I should do things or not things because God would either approve or disapprove of them. |
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Pies4shaw
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| It's important to appreciate that God, if she exists, has better things to do than expressing routine disapprobation of individual actions. Some theologians seem to have that aspect of divinity confused with the purpose of Santa's "naughty" list. |
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