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Gonzalo
Joined: 30 May 2016
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Currently we have these players on the injury list.
Sinclair. Multiple concussions.
Gault. Multiple concussions.
Brown. Hamstring injury. Soft tissue.
Rupert Wills. Calf injury. Soft tissue.
Adams. Hamstring injury. Soft tissue.
Langdon. Ankle.
Broomhead. Ankle.
Fasolo. Shoulder injury.
Ramsay. ACL.
Scharenberg. ACL.
Swan. Foot.
Moore. Broken collarbone.
Toovey. Concussion.
13 of the 44 on the list sit on the injury list. This is the 5th straight year that injuries have ruined our season. Is it bad luck? Is it bad management? Is it gameplan related? My view is that it's a combination of bad luck, questionable management and one major facet that is overlooked. The gameplan.
Our gameplan relies on relentless pressure. It is based on manic pressure including intense tackling, forcing the opposition into mistakes and causing turnovers. In Buckley's time as a coach, the interchange rotations have been capped and players are being asked to spend more time on the ground and exert more energy.
You can mitigate these factors by being skillful (the longer you retain the ball, the more you can tire your opposition) and having a balance between grunt and inside players and outside players with class, X factor and the ability to finish your hard work by jagging crucial goals. It is energy sapping when you fight to retain the ball, you get the ball in our forward line and you see someone waste the opportunity.
We've had some bad luck no doubt but as long as the gameplan relies on ferocious pressure and intensity, we have few players with X factor who can capitalise half chances, we will forever have long injury lists. We can change the fitness staff but the results will be the same. |
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Lazza
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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An emotion that lives with me is a sense of 'what might have been' had these injuries not robbed Collingwood and affected results this season.
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pricey
Joined: 29 Aug 2003
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Anyone know what happened to cause Toovey's concussion. Only mention on the TV was that it happened "off the ball".
No Replay , nothing more said. |
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Gonzalo
Joined: 30 May 2016
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| Lazza wrote: | | An emotion that lives with me is a sense of 'what might have been' had these injuries not robbed Collingwood and affected results this season. |
You can mop about it or you can ask questions why the high injury rates keep on occurring. If you don't learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it. The definition of insantly is doing the same thing again and hoping for a different result.
Hope that the club isn't saying its bad luck as it has occurred for 5 straight seasons. |
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matrix10
Joined: 17 May 2009
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| pricey wrote: | Anyone know what happened to cause Toovey's concussion. Only mention on the TV was that it happened "off the ball".
No Replay , nothing more said. |
wondered the same myself
re: OP
Bad luck really.
I reckon Nathan must've been a horrible person in a previous life- as he just seems to have too much go wrong (playing and coaching).
Concussions are bad luck
We have had about the average for soft tissue
ACl bad luck
Swan-bad luck (still cannot believe he didnt get a free!!)
But let's just blame Buckley  |
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Lazza
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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| Gonzalo wrote: | | You can mop about it or you can ask questions why the high injury rates keep on occurring. |
Guessing here that you meant mope. I haven't moped about it once. In fact I have oft repeated that it is what it is.
| Gonzalo wrote: | | If you don't learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it. |
This is totally bloody illogical. There have been numerous instances of wars happening, yet we haven't had a world war since 1945 although there are still thousands who are just itching for such an occurrence. They don't seemed to learn a thing, yet haven’t repeated it so go figure........ 
| Gonzalo wrote: | | The definition of insantly is doing the same thing again and hoping for a different result. |
So with that wonderful logic, doing the same things on the field that wins you games is not a good thing because a few hope for a loss????? WTF???? That IS bloody insane!!! 
Keep to the speed limit without speeding and hope for an accident???
| Gonzalo wrote: | | Hope that the club isn't saying its bad luck as it has occurred for 5 straight seasons. |
OK, I'll ask. Should we stop all tough physical training, train only in the swimming pool (shallow end in case of drownings) but not too close to any other players, keep all the players in cotton wool cacoons and ban all fast running, tackling or side stepping immediately?
What do YOU suggest we do dude?
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5 from the wing on debut
Joined: 27 May 2016
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The majority of those injuries result from collisions (concussion, shoulder, collarbone) or genetic disposition (ACL and ankle).
Players now are at more risk of head injury than in the past as they are leading with their heads as rule changes mean that they are petrified of being suspended if they protect themselves as players from previous generations did. That is common to all clubs, not just the Pies. The club cannot take responsibility for that.
It is possible to train specifically to strengthen the knees and ankles, and muscle and tendon around them, with the aim of reducing the risk of injury. I assume the players are instructed in that area but even if they are the major factor is still luck.
Whilst it is human nature to want to blame when something goes wrong I have seen no evidence that the injuries are due to something more than bad luck. What would you do to prevent the injuries from continuing? Easy to blame but harder to find a solution. |
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Lazza
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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| 5 from the wing on debut wrote: | The majority of those injuries result from collisions (concussion, shoulder, collarbone) or genetic disposition (ACL and ankle).
Players now are at more risk of head injury than in the past as they are leading with their heads as rule changes mean that they are petrified of being suspended if they protect themselves as players from previous generations did. That is common to all clubs, not just the Pies. The club cannot take responsibility for that.
It is possible to train specifically to strengthen the knees and ankles, and muscle and tendon around them, with the aim of reducing the risk of injury. I assume the players are instructed in that area but even if they are the major factor is still luck.
Whilst it is human nature to want to blame when something goes wrong I have seen no evidence that the injuries are due to something more than bad luck. What would you do to prevent the injuries from continuing? Easy to blame but harder to find a solution. |
Exactly.
Hear hear!!
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"What Good Fortune For Governments That The People Do Not Think" - Adolf Hitler.
Joined: 18 Dec 2008
Location: The Collibran Hideout
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The only aspect of the op's initial comment that has merit in my opinion is the game-plan comment.
This game style is very exhausting and does require extreme levels of fitness to play week in and week out. It is impossible to play with that intensity every week. With the restricted number of inter changes coupled with the ball being in play longer due to the interpretation of the out of bounds rule, it is more demanding this year than in the past.
The pace yesterday was manic and the contact / collision injures are a reflection of this. You would think that a game style that is more reliant upon players with higher kicking skills would be less exhausting. How to achieve this high level of skills seems to be a real issue. I suspect it is both a recruitment and a training issue.
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Gonzalo
Joined: 30 May 2016
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| 5 from the wing on debut wrote: | The majority of those injuries result from collisions (concussion, shoulder, collarbone) or genetic disposition (ACL and ankle).
Players now are at more risk of head injury than in the past as they are leading with their heads as rule changes mean that they are petrified of being suspended if they protect themselves as players from previous generations did. That is common to all clubs, not just the Pies. The club cannot take responsibility for that.
It is possible to train specifically to strengthen the knees and ankles, and muscle and tendon around them, with the aim of reducing the risk of injury. I assume the players are instructed in that area but even if they are the major factor is still luck.
Whilst it is human nature to want to blame when something goes wrong I have seen no evidence that the injuries are due to something more than bad luck. What would you do to prevent the injuries from continuing? Easy to blame but harder to find a solution. |
Contact or impact injuries have only been high in incidence this season. In prior years we have had high numbers of soft tissue injuries, it has varied every year. The gameplan is very taxing. It isn't sustainable for 22 rounds and it is wearing down younger players. As fatigue increases, there is a greater chance injury will occur.
Some sides such as Hawthorn who have superior skills than anyone else are able to play a gamestyle that ropes their opponents in as they are forever trying to create turnovers. |
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RudeBoy
Joined: 28 Nov 2005
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| Yawn. |
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jackcass 
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
Location: Bendigo
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| All of the above! |
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AnthonyC 
Joined: 09 Aug 2002
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
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The Buck stops with Bucks. Totally his fault, should be sacked.
No doubt in my mind we will then go on to a 5-peat of premiership victories.
ROLLEYES
Totally stupid post, but thought it met the thread criteria.
How it can possibly be the gameplan?
Because we don't have one.
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qldmagpie67
Joined: 18 Dec 2008
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It's obviously Bucks fault
Seriously who can't see he is 110% responsible
If he had moved Toovey 1 minute prior to the head knock he doesn't get hurt
If he had put Adams on the bench 2 minutes before he does he's hammy he plays next week and we win yesterday
If he sent Moore to the backline 30 seconds before he plays next week
If he had sat Fasalo on the pine 15 seconds earlier no shoulder injury
The one common denominator is bucks
Don't get me started on Ramsay Scharenberg Swan Elliott etc all victims of bucks refusal to predict the future and react
He wasn't just hired to be head coach he's supposed to read the future as well and see these things are going to happen
Enough is enough he must be sacked today
Where's jez07 when you need him
We haven't had a good sack the coach thread in 3 weeks now
Why ??
Just because we are winning shouldn't be an excuse not to sack a coach it doesn't make sense
Buckley has ruined this team with his unwillingness not to predict the future and he must be held fully accountable |
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MatthewBoydFanClub
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: Elwood
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Bad Luck.
We need to move on.
Anybody including the Bulldogs supporters could see that they were lucky in the last quarter that we were unable to rotate any players.
Didn't hear Buckley make any excuses in his press conference for the loss other than our failure to convert our opportunities.
Neither should we.
We need to bottle up our feelings for the return match against the Bulldogs later in the season (revenge is sweet). |
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