Lloyd's view on Collingwoods recruiting strategy

[derkd]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-collingwood-needs-to-recruit-youngsters-not-veterans-20160916-grhwjr.html

So Matthew Lloyd has laid forth his view on the possible path Collingwood is taking on recruitment this off-season. I think he might be getting a tad over excited as I don't think (hope) Collingwood will be chasing ALL of the players mentioned in the article. However he makes a good point on Mayne in as much as four years is a contract you dangle in front of a Jesse Hogan Or Jeremy Cameron type...not a bit forward player who has hardly set the world on fire. I think a few of us on here have raised our eyebrows at over $500,000 a year for Wells seems very excessive.

[mattys123]

Don't even read it people, utter junk, he's wrong on almost every point.

[Rick]

I agree with Lloyds points, I do believe though the potential recruitment of Wells and Dal Santo are purely stop gap measures to sure up our backline. Much like Hawthorn and the Bulldogs, we need experienced former midfielders with neat disposal and leadership coming out of our backline, much like Matthew Boyd or Luke Hodge.

Chris Mayne has at least proven he's durable, something that our forward line has lacked. The four year deal does seem excessive though.

If the James Stewart rumour is true, at least he's young and athletic enough to form a partnership with Moore for the next 8-10 years.

[derkd]

[Rick]

[qldmagpie67]

Agree we need either a Dal Santo or Wells but not both. I think you will find Gubby has a long list of players he's looking at and depending on who becomes available from other clubs still in finals and who may be offered up from our club and others at the trade table will determine who we take.
Mayne at 28 is a ok investment but not for 4yrs or $500 k a year. Throw that money at a Stewart or other young forward to form a partnership with Moore. Give Mayne 2yrs on $300k and add some performance clauses in that can trigger another year or some extra cash (say he kicks 30 goals he gets $40k more the next season 40 goals $60k more etc)
I think we need to realistic and look at the experience level in our side and with that what sort of leadership do they bring.
Pendles is a follow me type leader by leading by example
Players like Adams and Treloar seem more vocal and should be in the leadership group and I would make Adams VC
No offence to Sidey but he doesn't offer much in the leadership department he's not a talker or teacher and he's certainly not type of player to drag a team up with his own performances like a Pendles.
We need to build layers of leaders some with the titles and some without them. For mine adding a experienced player to our forward line would help for sure while Moore develops.
As for Maric if he's happy to play seconds and be a emergency for Grundy then so be it. We do have Cox White Keefe who can all pinch hit in th ruck as well

[Pies4shaw]

Is there any reason to think Stewart is any good, though? He's played 18 games over 4 seasons and done basically nothing, so far. He's not a Jeremy Cameron in waiting.

[Big Dan]

Lloyd's article makes total sense. I can't fathom why any of the 4 players mentioned are being offered a gig.

Who would Mayne displace in the current forward set up? Jesse White has shown that he can be swung in to the ruck and down back, and to be honest is an equally good forward.

Maric is shot - if a back up ruckman to Grundy and Cox is required, WTF is Wyatt, or for that matter Keefe, on the list for? Flick off Trevor Hendy and some of the media team, use their wage bill to hire a specialist ruck coach.

Dal Santo - there's a reason why North moved him on, and Saints let him walk.

Wells - Clinton Young anyone?

Chasing these 4 indicates that there are at least positions that the current footy dept believe are not covered sufficiently by current players on the list. At the very least 3, if you discount Maric.

I find this extremely alarming that this is what we are chasing. It is almost a carbon copy of Carlton's & Geelong's recruiting strategy at the turn of the 2000's, singing guys like O'Reilly etc.

Throw 4 years at $500+K to Stewart, and more to grab Hoskin-Elliot & Tomlinson - all three will serve better than these 4.

[Culprit]

The recruiting is speculation so that makes his article speculative. At the moment, every player is linked to Collingwood. My view is you need experience as well as youth. Recruit youngsters Brown and Daicos is offset by Wells and Mayne. Maric is a back up as Witts will be traded. What's available and what draft picks we have available will make up who we recruit.

[Piesnchess]

Boomer Harvey says hello. !

[uncanny]

Wells possibly.
Mayne maybe but only if it's a two year deal.
Forget the rest and chase some young talent with much more possible upside.
That said.
Lloyd's article is biased. He is barracking for the pies to fail with trades for experienced players. They can work, just need to get the balance right.

[RudeBoy]

Generally I think Lloyd is on the money. All the talk of us going after ageing players, smacks of a desperate attempt to ensure short term success, which could end up jeopardising the trajectory toward our next flag, which should be based around young or mid career players.

[AN_Inkling]

Lloyd is very wrong for multiple reasons.

1. Our squad is currently too young to make finals. We need to at last replace the experience walking out the door

2. The "older" players we are supposedly chasing are free agents

3. We have cap space that needs to be used. The best free agents available are older players. If they were ~25 we'd be chasing them even harder

4. We have brought in many young players over the last few years

5. Our trades this year will almost certainly be for younger players

You can take it as certain that we will, at most, be signing one significant player over 30 (let's not count Maric or other 3rd string ruck). This is hardly concerning. No one had an issue with the Giants signing Stevie J.

Are we ready to challenge for a flag next year? Likely not. But it's time for us to return to finals. Not for Buckley but for the club. We have a talented young list and it needs to start winning. Without adding experience, finals are only a remote chance. Ideally we'd be adding slightly younger players than Wells, but he is what's available and exactly the type of player we need. Mayne fills a need at medium forward with only Crocker as competition, he definitely makes us better.

If we were trading significant assets for players over 30 it would be a worry. That we look like signing one free agent to a squad which has zero players over 30 is not a surprise or a concern in any way. We have 20 players 23 or under who are all around our best 22 and Lloyd thinks we need to keep getting younger? Sorry, we've got younger every year for the past 3, and will do so again if we don't sign some experience, we need to be maturing if we're going to get anywhere. We can not continually allow experience to walk and not replace it.

[themonk]

If we are offering a 4 year contract to Mayne then that is paying overs, 3 years is adequate.

If we are offering Wells 2 years then he will be handy assuming we can get him on the park.

Maric is a backup plan and I refuse to believe the Dal Santo link.

More youngsters? I don't think so as we are one of the youngest sides in the competition and seem to have released too much experience for a long list of so called young talent.

The only young players I'd like to see us recruit are Brown & Daicos, maybe Hoskin-Elliot assuming he'll only cost us a 2nd round pick.

[RudeBoy]