Pre Match. Pies v. Blues. All comments please.

Donny · Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 3:24 pm

Saturday. MCG. 1.45

Collingwood v. Carlton

Let's hear ya !!

What'sinaname · Joined: 29 May 2010 Location: Living rent free

History head-to-head

Wins - 125
Losses - 127
Draw 4

So, we still need to win the next 3 to get in front.

Interesting to note, we are ahead in the head-to-head for H&A games (+4) but behind in finals (-6)

swoop42 · Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 5:05 pm

I should have clarified my earlier position more clearly and stated that for a Cox/Reid combination to have any chance of working de Goey would need to fill Adams role in the midfield.

People need to realise that with Cox, Mihocek and de Goey we have essentially been playing with 3 tall forwards this season already akin to the West Coast premiership structure and like our 2010/11 side featuring Cloke, Dawes and Brown.

Because of his ability to impact through the midfield we forget de Goey would make most if not all sides purely as a tall forward option.

We could potentially add a 4th tall in Reid and get away with it against lesser opposition like Carlton but it's doubtful it'll be our standard setup moving forward.

P.S-If heaven forbid de Goey missed a week through injury I'd be happy playing Reid alongside Cox and Mihocek.

Clifton Hill-Billy · Joined: 29 Sep 2011 Location: 3068----> 3076

De Goey needs to go to the midfield to avoid his low goal kicking accuracy

Rd10.1998_11.1#36 · Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 5:31 pm

^^He's 6'2"

RudeBoy · Joined: 28 Nov 2005

I can see your logic swoop, but alternatively De Goey can equally be classified as a 'small' forward, due to his speed and exquisite ground ball skills. Mihocek is really a mid sized forward, meaning that we have really only been playing with one true tall forward all year. Playing Cox and Reid would constitute 2 talls. That's how I see it anyway.

ANNODAM · Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 6:29 pm

Just win!

LaurieHolden · Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 6:58 pm

Key match-up's
Our history vs theirs! One match closer to squaring the w/l ratio.
Drop the clutch from the 1st bounce and smash them.
Cripps vs Pendlebury, delicious.
Aish / Brown onto Walsh.
Maynard onto Petrevski-Seaton
Howe onto Curnow.

Out : Adams (inj), Thomas (omit)
In : Aish, Wells

B: Langdon, Roughead, Howe
HB: Crisp, Moore, Maynard

C: Phillips, Pendlebury, Sidebottom
R: Grundy, Beams, JDG

HF: WHE, Reid, Wells
F: Stephenson, Mihocek, Elliott

Int: Treloar, Brown, Greenwood, Aish

A Pies side with fit Reid and Wells is a better side.
The option of rotating Wells, Pendles and Treloar is a luxury.

eddiesmith · Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 7:17 pm

This is truly a game it would be great for a sustained 4 qtr effort and some accuracy in front of goal to finally get a bit of a % boost

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swoop42 · Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 9:04 pm

Ultimately AI we arrive at the same conclusion in terms of 3 "talls" but to me de Goey represents a tall forward in our side because he can compete physically against taller opponents and draws the ball like a full forward.

Size isn't that relevant as his sublime talent coupled with power and mobility means he can play taller and a lot of opponents that can match him for height and strength can't for speed on the lead.

Think Ablett and even Dunstall as comparisons.

While he has a long way to go to ever match their exploits he is one of the best one out against an opponent in the AFL, plays with a presence that worries the opposition and critically in terms of our setup and whether we can play 3 "talls" his teammates will direct a lot of ball to him inside 50 such is their confidence of his ability.

When you already have de Goey, Hoskin-Elliott and Elliott available as capable marking threats, throw in Mihocek adding Reid on top Cox who both really rely on marking for scoreboard impact then the air space is going to get crowded and sacrificing one for more ground ball ability seems preferential for balance.

As for Mihocek going nowhere anytime soon would be guess.

Better output than Cox last season and Reid historically when he played forward and done it in his first season.

His contribution has been outstanding to date and no one saw it coming.

Better runner across the ground and offers an ability that neither Cox or Reid does as a forward and that's being able to regularly create scoring opportunities for himself gathering the ground ball.

Marking not to shabby either and not for the first time this time season I thought he had one of those almost games last night whereby he nearly managed to grasp some difficult marking opportunities. His luck will change and 1/2 goal games will turn into 3/4.

For mine it's a case of Cox or Reid if a decision needs to be made.

Cox the better relief ruck option whose sheer size makes him a difficult forward proposition.

Reid the smarter and more well rounded footballer.

Presti35 · Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 9:06 pm

Will be glad to put Carlton away and just move on.

Been following the head-to-head for basically my whole life and we always get close and drop one we shouldn't. Each loss = 2 wins to catch up.

I remember sitting there with my brother and adding all the wins and losses up before the internet was a thing.

I remember being like 20 behind. We only play them the one time this year, so make it count.

Presti35 · Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 9:17 pm

We know they'll be one out; Adams.

I wouldn't bring Cox straight back in if he isnt 110%. I wouldnt be against resting him the extra week to make sure.

Possible ins are;
Aish if hes fit.
Wills after a solid run in the 2s.
Varcoe after a week off.

Unlikely to come in:
Wells who has been ok in the VFL.
Daicos who needs to do more in the VFL.
Sier who is still injured and needs a run in the 2s first.

No VFL game this week, but here's last weeks emergencies: Travis Varcoe, Isaac Quaynor Rupert Wills and Max Lynch.

K · Joined: 09 Sep 2011