"Do Better" review made public

[Presti35]

Former players Simon Buckley and Shae McNamara are having an interesting conversation about Héritier Lumumba on a recent Facebook post on Shae's wall. Very interesting as that is the first time I've heard a former player (Simon Buckley) take the other side.

[Pies4shaw]

^ Not that I want, for a moment, to stop people investigating irrelevant byways, but Simon Buckley joined Collingwood at the end of 2009, 4 years after the nickname was first used.

[5 from the wing on debut]

Simon Buckley’s comment fits in with my best guess as to what occurred - he had the nickname (that’s the first I have heard that H created that) then after a while decided he didn’t like it so he said something and no one called him that any more. It was after that that other events occurred that he took issue with. As mentioned before, unless we see his actual claim we won’t know what his complaint is.

[Presti35]

After a post by Shae shared regarding H and a recent article publishes in a newspaper. Interesting to see 2 former players talking publicly about it.

[5 from the wing on debut]

[Pies4shaw]

^ I think under my XXN, Simon Buckley would be obliged to concede that he has no idea how the nickname first came to be used. In that context, it scarcely matters what H might or might not have said to him when they met at Collingwood in late 2009 or early 2010 (if he even has a proper recollection of that conversation more than a decade later).

Again, though, talking about the specific case of H is quite irrelevant to this thread. As we know, the authors of the report did not report on that situation.

[Presti35]

Still going....

[David]

I was just reading that comment thread, and apart from the comments from Simon Buckley (which seem long on opinion and short on content), the most interesting aspect is what McNamara himself says in the attached newspaper piece:

[Pies4shaw]

So, not that I would want to shovel more dirt into the grave of that particular line of enquiry, that would be before Simon Buckley came to Collingwood?

[Lazza]

This racism stuff cuts both ways. I played cricket in the 70’s and 80’s and saw and heard white players racially sledged by non white players. They were called white trash, albino mongrels, Honky Tonk wankers etc etc. I may or may not have partaken in this practice😊
Older posters will remember that a Collingwood player (Alan Atkinson?) was once falsely accused of racist sledging by a Carlscum rotter. The scum player later admitted that he had been asked to this by the Scum officials to put the Collingwood player off his game.
As a brown skinned person I was once called a “Coconut” by an indigenous person which I later learnt was an insult insinuating that while I had a brown skin on the outside, I was acting like a white skin on the inside, hence the coconut jibe.
Being of Sri Lankan background, I also remember the Sri Lankan cricket team complaining of being abused on their first ever series in Australia in the 70’s. This was when they were soft as butter and naive about playing top class cricket. Any team that tries this now will be dealt with immediately.
I remember indigenous Umpire James being racially abused by the crowd at the MCG. I remember the Krakeur brothers and Gavin Wangerning being abused, i remember a Collingwood player of Fijian background (Fatiu Attata) being heckled and racially abused at Windy Hill by Essenscum ferals. The AFL did nothing and therefore the sledgers felt enabled as it being part of football.
Ok I realise that we are all different beings who handle racist comments differently. When I was racially sledged in cricket, I racially sledged back immediately, sort of a Mexican stand-off. However after the game, it was all smiles and handshakes. Maybe those times being no more is the reason why we see episodes like this issue blowing up.

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[Presti35]

[David]

[Cruisinwithdids]

Ironic that so many on this site spend their time trying to prove nothing Bad ever happened at Collingwood and its all a conspiracy made up by those that hate the club. Find a post on a Facebook page from someone who was at the club for 5 minutes and jump all over it. In today’s world Of out right lying, everyone gets to believe their own version of events. Therein lies the whole issue the club has. McGuire has helped the club financially, but done irreparable damage during his reign with his thoughts and comments and resultant self defence. He takes zero responsibility for all of his dumb racist and sexist comments. At the top of an organisation, that creates an environment where accountability doesn’t matter. It only matters who you are. Nathan Buckley ring a bell? People on this site also have continuously said there Is
no one to replace MCGuire. My answer to that would be replace him with anyone half qualified who is prepared to be accountable equally to all other people at the club and has a high level of intellect and social consciousness. That would be progress.

[Presti35]

Lumumba himself has left a comment and has whacked Simon Buckley for six over the fence...