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Harrysz 



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2023 1:41 pm
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St Kilda 74 defeated Collingwood 73

Rohan Rivett was a well-known journalist. His expertise was in politics and foreign affairs. He was a regular presenter on the Channel 7 nightly news where he appeared once a week. He never dabbled in sport, let alone Australian football. That is, until in the week leading up to the 1966 VFL Grand Final when he opined that it would be very nice if St Kilda won the premiership. This was not because he thought that St Kilda was the better side or ‘deserved’ to win. He thought it grossly unfair that in the whole history of the VFL, St Kilda had never won a premiership. I remember watching this and thinking, ‘What about St Kilda’s opponent Collingwood? What about the legions of Collingwood supporters?’ I found his presentation to be unsettling and unfair.

1966 was Bobby Rose’s third year as coach of Collingwood. Collingwood had a very narrow loss in the 1964 Grand Final and then (and many people may have forgotten this) Collingwood suffered a one point loss to St Kilda in the 1965 second semi-final. It was after that game that Bobby Rose said ‘I must be a jinx on Collingwood in the finals.’ This was a self-fulfilling prophesy.

In 1965 St Kilda contested its second ever Grand Final and was thrashed by Essendon. In 1966, Collingwood lost twice to Essendon including a 10 goal thrashing at Victoria Park. Clearly, Essendon as the reigning premier was the team to beat. Collingwood played St Kilda once during the home and away season and won by 12 goals. Collingwood finished on top of the ladder and although St Kilda finished second, fourth finishing Essendon appeared to be the main threat. Essendon dispatched Geelong in the first semi-final. In the second semi-final Collingwood beat St Kilda by 10 points in a tough come-from-behind victory. Des Tuddenham kicked 7 goals. To everyone’s surprise, St Kilda had a very comfortable win over Essendon in the Preliminary Final and faced off against Collingwood in the Grand Final. Collingwood was slight favourite. St Kilda was minus ruckman Carl Ditterich but they still had a star-studded team.

As the halftime siren rang, Len Thompson was awarded a free kick in Collingwood’s goal square. He couldn’t possibly miss. He missed. Collingwood went into halftime leading by one point instead of a goal. St Kilda centre half forward Darrell Baldock had a relatively subdued game but centreman Ian Stuart and full forward Kevin ‘Cowboy’ Neale (who kicked 5 goals), were dominant. At three-quarter time St Kilda led by 4 points. At the start of the last quarter Ray Gabelich was awarded a controversial free kick 20 metres from goal. He missed. With minutes to go and St Kilda leading by a point, Des Tuddenham had a flying shot for goal which scored a point. Scores level. Wayne Richardson had a flying shot for goal which went out of bounds. A draw looked probable. St Kilda rushed the ball into their forward line and a ball up ensued. Umpire Jeff Crouch bounced the ball and the ball found its way into Ted Potter’s hands. In a semi-panic he handballed blindly and Barry Breen got the ball and slammed it onto his boot. The ball bounced and bounced and went through for a point. St Kilda leading by one point. St Kilda attacked a couple of times but Terry Waters who was a wonderful mark held them out. Finally, he got the ball to the captain and potential matchwinner Des Tuddenham. He ran from centre halfback and bounced the ball once. There was an acre of space in front of him and he could have kept running towards goal, but instead, he kicked the ball forward and Bub Murray out-marked Ray Gabelich. He went back, took his time and kicked the ball to the boundary line. The siren went and St Kilda had won their first premiership by one point. There’s little doubt that if Tuddenham had had a couple more bounces he would have scored, maybe a point to draw, maybe a goal to win.

In a match that was lost by a point, two misses from dead in front were fatal. In my view there was a selection blunder. In the first match of the year, I watched a young second-year player called Peter McKenna kick 11 goals straight, then a point, then another goal – 12 goals one for the day. This was remarkable. However, over the next few weeks, McKenna struggled and was eventually dropped. He played for the reserves and did well and earned a right to be promoted back into the seniors but the Collingwood match committee didn’t think so. On Grand Final day Peter McKenna was playing for the reserves. He kicked 5 goals and his fifth goal put Collingwood in front by a point. The siren was about to go, Richmond reserves went into attack and some kid who no one had heard of called Royce Hart marked the ball more than 50 yards out from goal. He coolly lined it up and kicked the goal that won Richmond the Reserves premiership. In the seniors’ game Doug Searle was centre half forward and Ian Graham was full forward. They had very little influence on the game. Perhaps Peter McKenna playing in the seniors that day could have made all the difference.

One more thing: in 2022, Collingwood lost the qualifying final to Geelong by a goal. When the siren went a few exhausted Collingwood players sat down on the ground. The coach Craig McRae went around and asked those players to get up. Later he said on television, ‘We may have lost today, but we are not losers. Lying down after a loss is what losers do.’ Unfortunately, and I say this respectfully, in my opinion Bobby Rose did not have a winner’s mentality. The close loss in 1964, the one point loss in 1965 and then the one point loss in 1966 contributed to the term first coined by Lou Richards – ‘Colliwobbles’. The legend of the Colliwobbles would grow and prosper for some time yet.

In this project, I am describing 17 Grand Finals. I attended each one of those Grand Finals, except for 1960 when I was too young (although I recall listening to Norman Banks on the radio) and 1966 which was Yom Kippur. However, I did watch the replay of the 1966 Grand Final on television and I have seen it several times since. If I found Rohan Rivett’s remarks to be unsettling and unfair, I found Ted Whitten’s inane barracking to be dreadful. In the last quarter as St Kilda led by a point, he shouted out, ‘Hit the boundary! Hit the boundary!’ The man commentating Mike Williamson asked, ‘Can St Kilda win its first premiership?’ Ted Whitten shouted with glee, ‘They’ve got it!’ This was hardly Bruce McAveny and Dennis Cometti. Ted Whitten’s barracking was a disgrace.

Some years later, when Bobby Rose retired he was asked what his greatest disappointment was in football. His answer was losing the 1966 Grand Final. Sadly, he had quite a lot failures from which to choose.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2023 3:02 pm
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Losing McKenna to Carlton because they offered 25K and we wouldn't offer more than 20K cost us the 77 flag too.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2023 3:40 pm
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Great write-up, Harrysz. I thought I knew a bit about this grand final and have even watched some clips on YouTube, but a lot of this was totally new to me – all fascinating information.

(What's the 11B refer to, by the way?)

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2023 4:29 pm
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Kingsofclutch wrote:
Losing McKenna to Carlton because they offered 25K and we wouldn't offer more than 20K cost us the 77 flag too.

Really, no. Pete was finished, then. He got dropped and then hurt his kidney (I think?) in the seconds around the middle of 1975 and never played for us again. He played a season in Tassie and then went to Carlton. He didn't play much for them, either (maybe a dozen games?) And he would never have got a spot in the team with Moore playing FF. It was a shame to see him in the wrong jumper, of course.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2023 6:19 pm
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I was interested to read what Harrysz wrote about missing the 1966 Grand Final due to the Jewish Feast of Yom Kippur.

StKilda had a very fine player called Ian Synman who chose to play in the Grand final and not observe a very important Jewish Feast Day- regrettably for the Magpies, Ian Synman (a devout Jew), played a very fine game.

The main difference for the Magpies was the brilliant tagging job of St Kilda player John Bingley on Des Tuddenham; whilst Tuddy kicked three goals, he was well held.

Poor goal kicking proved extremely costly for the Magpies and our final attack- where Tuddenham had 50 metres clear in front of him but rushed a kick forward, may well have cost us at least the chance to draw.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2023 9:58 pm
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Kingsofclutch wrote:
Losing McKenna to Carlton because they offered 25K and we wouldn't offer more than 20K cost us the 77 flag too.

Really, no. Pete was finished, then. He got dropped and then hurt his kidney (I think?) in the seconds around the middle of 1975 and never played for us again. He played a season in Tassie and then went to Carlton. He didn't play much for them, either (maybe a dozen games?) And he would never have got a spot in the team with Moore playing FF. It was a shame to see him in the wrong jumper, of course.


Moore averaged 3.45 goals for the 1977 season

McKenna averaged 3.27 goals that year for Carlton

and even if he was only depth (and I doubt that with his output) he was the obvious replacement for Carman when he got suspended, we drew a GF replacing Carman with 5 foot nothing Shane Bond when we needed a key forward, we lost a flag being tight arses over 5K.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2023 10:58 pm
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Thanks David and Warburton Lad for your compliments. By the way WL, Yom Kippur is a 25 hours strict fast so it's not accurate to refer to it as a "feast". Sorry to be pedantic.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2023 1:02 am
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Thanks Harrysz. A great read.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2023 5:32 am
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Hi David.
When I started this I wrote that there had been 16 Grand Finals since 1958.
Half way through I realised that there'd actually been 17 Grand Finals. So rather than re-numbering everything I put in two #11s - A and B.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:21 am
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Kingsofclutch wrote:
and even if he was only depth (and I doubt that with his output) he was the obvious replacement for Carman when he got suspended, we drew a GF replacing Carman with 5 foot nothing Shane Bond when we needed a key forward, we lost a flag being tight arses over 5K.


Me being a pedant but wasn’t Carman replaced by Perry? Maybe I’m wrong 🧐

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2023 10:29 am
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Rightfully Essendon would be kicking themselves they let this one slip in the Prelim; but I guess there's at least one team who underperforms late in the finals, when expected to win, every season?
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Me being a pedant but wasn’t Carman replaced by Perry? Maybe I’m wrong 🧐


No, Bond replaced Carman for the first Grand Final and Perry replaced Doug Gott for the replay. You'd have the star veteran forward still averaging over 3 goals a game before either of them anyway, but hey we saved 5K. Mad

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:09 pm
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Kingsofclutch wrote:
Pies4shaw wrote:
Kingsofclutch wrote:
Losing McKenna to Carlton because they offered 25K and we wouldn't offer more than 20K cost us the 77 flag too.

Really, no. Pete was finished, then. He got dropped and then hurt his kidney (I think?) in the seconds around the middle of 1975 and never played for us again. He played a season in Tassie and then went to Carlton. He didn't play much for them, either (maybe a dozen games?) And he would never have got a spot in the team with Moore playing FF. It was a shame to see him in the wrong jumper, of course.


Moore averaged 3.45 goals for the 1977 season

McKenna averaged 3.27 goals that year for Carlton

and even if he was only depth (and I doubt that with his output) he was the obvious replacement for Carman when he got suspended, we drew a GF replacing Carman with 5 foot nothing Shane Bond when we needed a key forward, we lost a flag being tight arses over 5K.


I was a huge Peter McKenna fan in the early 70's, but by the time Tom Hafey arrived at Collingwood McKenna was done as a force at VFL level. The Collingwood forward line in the '77 Grand Final was missing Carman as their CHF but still had the brilliant Peter Moore as their Full Forward, supported by Twiggy Dunne and Rene Kink. McKenna would never have made that team at that time of his career and certainly never would have featured in a team coached by Hafey who had the same simple game style of "kick it long to Royce" since 1967. This game style suited the marking power of a young Peter Moore at full forward and of course the brilliance of Carman and power of Kink running around the forward line helped Collingwood finish on top of the ladder in 1977. Such a shame that the team lost that Drawn Grand Final
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I was a huge Peter McKenna fan in the early 70's, but by the time Tom Hafey arrived at Collingwood McKenna was done as a force at VFL level. The Collingwood forward line in the '77 Grand Final was missing Carman as their CHF but still had the brilliant Peter Moore as their Full Forward, supported by Twiggy Dunne and Rene Kink. McKenna would never have made that team at that time of his career and certainly never would have featured in a team coached by Hafey who had the same simple game style of "kick it long to Royce" since 1967. This game style suited the marking power of a young Peter Moore at full forward and of course the brilliance of Carman and power of Kink running around the forward line helped Collingwood finish on top of the ladder in 1977. Such a shame that the team lost that Drawn Grand Final
Sad


Kink and Moore didn't replace Carman so no idea why you'd reference them? Bond and Perry were the laughable replacements, McKenna still averaging over 3 goals would have been an automatic selection and would have released Moore to go crazy, no offence to Bond and Perry but they were players you'd hope you'd never have to use.

*Only Walker averaged more goals this year than McKenna in his last year when he was supposedly 'done'.

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Kingsofclutch wrote:
lazzadesilva wrote:


Me being a pedant but wasn’t Carman replaced by Perry? Maybe I’m wrong 🧐


No, Bond replaced Carman for the first Grand Final and Perry replaced Doug Gott for the replay. You'd have the star veteran forward still averaging over 3 goals a game before either of them anyway, but hey we saved 5K. Mad


Appreciate that 👍🏿 Well my ageing memory was half right 😎

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