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neil wrote:
This is why any talk of trading Witts is insane
You trade from areas you have extra players not a shortage.
Trade Witts and then recruit a ruckman is a no win situation
It could easily be under the right circumstances.
Witts for Carlisle as an example.
Kreuzer for nothing via F/A.
A rapidly developing Cox in reserve.
Our side would be stronger next year IMO if that was to occur.
Any plan that depends on an international recruit who has played about 16 VFL games as the total Australian rules games has a major flaw. I hope Cox can make it but will never support making any recruiting/trading plans that depend on him having a successful AFL career.
You've overlooked the part where we draft a ruck choice for nothing in terms of F/A or a cheap alternative via the draft.
With no Witts again this week I'm starting to think he could already be earmarked for trade should the right deal present itself or has already done so.
swoop42 wrote:
It could easily be under the right circumstances.
Witts for Carlisle as an example.
Kreuzer for nothing via F/A.
A rapidly developing Cox in reserve.
Our side would be stronger next year IMO if that was to occur.
Any plan that depends on an international recruit who has played about 16 VFL games as the total Australian rules games has a major flaw. I hope Cox can make it but will never support making any recruiting/trading plans that depend on him having a successful AFL career.
You've overlooked the part where we draft a ruck choice for nothing in terms of F/A or a cheap alternative via the draft.
With no Witts again this week I'm starting to think he could already be earmarked for trade should the right deal present itself or has already done so.
Witts part of the Treloar deal.
Witts for Carlisle.
Witts for a top 15 pick.
Witts for S.Reid.
I would do any of the above. Not that I don't see upside in Witts but one characteristic that is obvious with Jarrod since he started is he "doesn't want to hurt/kill" his opponents. Players of a commensurate body shape/size like Mumford have this trait and Jarrod strikes me as a less talented Wes Fellowes circa 1986.
The Sam Reid trade makes some sense: unite with his brother, he can swing back or forward and is still young enough with a better attitude than Carlisle
swoop42 wrote:You've overlooked the part where we draft a ruck choice for nothing in terms of F/A or a cheap alternative via the draft.
With no Witts again this week I'm starting to think he could already be earmarked for trade should the right deal present itself or has already done so.
Witts part of the Treloar deal.
Witts for Carlisle.
Witts for a top 15 pick.
Witts for S.Reid.
Witts is the one asset that could really open up our trading options. He will definitely have value but is not our first choice ruck. If we could sign a free agent ruck to replace him then trading him becomes very plausible.
With at least two clear trading targets (Treloar and Aish) we will be looking at our options and trading Witts would be one of those especially as he is from NSW.
Next year is a massive one for this club and I expect us to be going hard in the off-season to fill out our list. Given that there are things we need more than an extra ruck (another developing tall forward, classy mids), I do feel that Witts may be tradeable.
Last edited by AN_Inkling on Fri Aug 28, 2015 3:23 pm, edited 1 time in total.
swoop42 wrote:
It could easily be under the right circumstances.
Witts for Carlisle as an example.
Kreuzer for nothing via F/A.
A rapidly developing Cox in reserve.
Our side would be stronger next year IMO if that was to occur.
Any plan that depends on an international recruit who has played about 16 VFL games as the total Australian rules games has a major flaw. I hope Cox can make it but will never support making any recruiting/trading plans that depend on him having a successful AFL career.
You've overlooked the part where we draft a ruck choice for nothing in terms of F/A or a cheap alternative via the draft.
With no Witts again this week I'm starting to think he could already be earmarked for trade should the right deal present itself or has already done so.
Witts part of the Treloar deal.
Witts for Carlisle.
Witts for a top 15 pick.
Witts for S.Reid.
Care to list these tremendous readily available ruckmen via F/A or cheaply via the draft
If Witts is so valuable as a top 15 pick why get rid of him?
And why get rid of him? He's not our first choice first ruck, so essentially he's a backup player if we're not playing two rucks (the Witts-Grundy combo has not looked good so far). If we can fill a gap by trading him then it would make sense to do so.
swoop42 wrote:You've overlooked the part where we draft a ruck choice for nothing in terms of F/A or a cheap alternative via the draft.
With no Witts again this week I'm starting to think he could already be earmarked for trade should the right deal present itself or has already done so.
Witts part of the Treloar deal.
Witts for Carlisle.
Witts for a top 15 pick.
Witts for S.Reid.
Witts is the one asset that could really open up our trading options. He will definitely have value but is not our first choice ruck. If we could sign a free agent ruck to replace him then trading him becomes very plausible.
With at least two clear trading targets (Treloar and Aish) we will be looking at our options and trading Witts would be one of those especially as he is from NSW.
Next year is a massive one for this club and I expect us to be going hard in the off-season to fill out our list. Given that there are things we need more than an extra ruck (another developing tall forward, classy mids), I do feel that Witts may be tradeable.
Once again, a very sober, rational, balanced, considered and logical contribution from you inky.
Do we know if the AFL plan on reducing the amount of rotations again next year?
Personally I can't see how two genuine first rucks will work in the 22 unless they are viable forward options if the rotations cap gets reduced further.
More running ability and using as many of your rotations as possible on those players will be the likely way things go.
swoop42 wrote:Do we know if the AFL plan on reducing the amount of rotations again next year?
Personally I can't see how two genuine first rucks will work in the 22 unless they are viable forward options if the rotations cap gets reduced further.
More running ability and using as many of your rotations as possible on those players will be the likely way things go.
It's alright, I'm sure they'll announce this before the start of the season with at least a day's notice!
With the introduction of F/A, future trading and overseas talent identification becoming more wide spread it's going to be increasingly easier to manoeuver rucks to your club when required.
With the way the game is heading also clubs will increasingly be looking for slightly undersized but more mobile ruck/forward options like Martin.
McKernan at Essendon another example of a low cost recruit who at 25 is having a career best season and might well improve again next year.
With the introduction of F/A, future trading and overseas talent identification becoming more wide spread it's going to be increasingly easier to manoeuver rucks to your club when required.
With the way the game is heading also clubs will increasingly be looking for slightly undersized but more mobile ruck/forward options like Martin.
McKernan at Essendon another example of a low cost recruit who at 25 is having a career best season and might well improve again next year.
mckernan has played two semi decent games for essendon. labelling it career best is a bit of a stretch.
swoop42 wrote:You've overlooked the part where we draft a ruck choice for nothing in terms of F/A or a cheap alternative via the draft.
With no Witts again this week I'm starting to think he could already be earmarked for trade should the right deal present itself or has already done so.
Witts part of the Treloar deal.
Witts for Carlisle.
Witts for a top 15 pick.
Witts for S.Reid.
I would do any of the above. Not that I don't see upside in Witts but one characteristic that is obvious with Jarrod since he started is he "doesn't want to hurt/kill" his opponents. Players of a commensurate body shape/size like Mumford have this trait and Jarrod strikes me as a less talented Wes Fellowes circa 1986.
The Sam Reid trade makes some sense: unite with his brother, he can swing back or forward and is still young enough with a better attitude than Carlisle
Spreading Witts a bit thin but hard to argue that's not good value.
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