French election 2017

[Mugwump]

^ If Marseilles has become a "harbour of spite", the reason is probably that this great fortress city is where the clash between the Arab world and French culture has come to the boil : it is a boiling pot into which France has thrown itself via dreadful and lax immigration policy. Who is to blame for that clash is a matter of history, but what is clear is that Marseilles - once a centre of Republican sentiment and the source of that great anthem - now stands for France's position on the front line of the clash between Western culture and the Arab world.

As an aside, his French must be truly affreux if he thinks a "chambray" shirt is a "chambre" shirt. Quelle chemise !!

[stui magpie]

The polls have opened for voting. I'll be happy to see either Fillon or Le Pen to go through to the second round.

I think Macron and Le Pen will go through with Macron prevailing and becoming the new President of France. God help France if Melenchon somehow makes it to the second round.

macron and le pen it is

[Pies4shaw]

So, just the one fascist through to the second round, then.

[HAL]

I think I know that one.

[David]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39686993

Most polls suggest a landslide win for Macron in the second round, but they've been wrong before...

[Jezza]

So, just the one fascist through to the second round, then.

The far-left fascists are not happy.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3396575/r ... s-success/

[Jezza]

Results (78.27% voter turnout)

Macron = 23.90%
Le Pen = 21.42%
Fillon = 19.94%
Melenchon = 19.56%
Hamon = 6.35%
Dupont-Aignan = 4.75%
Lassalle = 1.22%
Poutou = 1.10%
Asselineau = 0.92%
Arthaud = 0.65%
Cheminade = 0.18%

Most polls suggesting that Macron will attain 60 to 65% of the vote in the second round to Le Pen's 35 to 40%.

[Wokko]

France needs Le Pen, but this is one of the most leftist countries in Europe. Still, polls had Hillary in a landslide and Brexit as no chance so I'm still hoping that France has some life in it and wont commit cultural suicide like Germany and Sweden.

[Skids]

This is why millions of French people will vote Marine Le Pen for president


https://www.thelocal.fr/20170423/why-we ... -president

[swoop42]

So it's down to Macaroni and Penne.

[stui magpie]

So, just the one fascist through to the second round, then.

The far-left fascists are not happy.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3396575/r ... s-success/

gotta love some people's understanding of democracy. ie, it's all good for the people to vote, as long as they agree with me. If they vote for someone else, it's toys out of the cot time.

The 'left' are making a habit of this.

[Mugwump]

^ Yes, this is what happens when people convince themselves that they are not only correct, but also (and this is the horrible bit) morally good because of what they believe.

When you convince yourself of that, you can believe that your opponents are bad, and need to be punished and controlled by your goodness.

That's why, in history, the puritans tend to hold the best human barbecues. And the modern left are very much the new puritans.

[Morrigu]

So it's down to Macaroni and Penne.

sounds more like an Italian election!! Vive Le pasta!!

[David]

[Mugwump]

^ yes, that's quite true. France's Leftism is of a very conservative kind : class war, strong unions, very high employment protection, high social spending, etc. The roots of this French conservatism are interesting. I suspect it either goes back to the chaotic revolutions of 1789, 1848 and 1870, or (more probably) to the destabilising conflicts (and latterly collaboration) with Germany in 1870, 1914 and 1940.