Coronavirus 4 - Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

[stui magpie]

Someone showed me their fake certificate,they look real, but obviously only in photos so not on the app, if someone checks properly.

You can download the certificate and show someone without using the App if required, so it looked like the real thing? I'd heard of websites letting people make and download their own fake certs for free.

[think positive]

yes but once people catch on they will demand to see it via the app, im surprised they dont already. its not something i would want to test at an important event,

personally i think the fines should be doubled if you get caught, but ive always hated cheats!

[David]

[stui magpie]

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Yep, Andrews arrogance may have bitten him in the arse.

He can't afford to let it get voted down, my guess is he'll stall. If this legislation (or a variation of it) doesn't get enacted before the current SOE legislation expires in December, all CHO orders become invalid.

One option he may have depends on Somyurek's vaccination status. I read somewhere that he has provided evidence of 1 dose to get back into Parliament, but if he hasn't had the second by, I think, November 26, he won't be able to attend or vote.

[Pies4shaw]

It doesn't really matter, does it? The opposition cannot be seen (at least by people who have sufficient functionality to be able to fill out a pair of voting slips) to be preventing the continuation of necessary protections, so there'll have to be an extension of the State of Emergency or passage of a Pandemic Bill. At that point, the opposition has the fun decision of whether to alienate the part of its support that can read and write and thinks some restrictions are required or whether to alienate that part of its support that is driven by the asinine antivaxxer numpties by negotiating the Pandemic Bill through Parliament with modest changes. Either way, they finish up with about 35% support at the polls.

I'm not sure the opposition had factored in Somyurek. They've gone immediately from being in a position to whine about the content of the Bill, criticise the Government for it and tell voters that they're sorry they didn't have the numbers to vote it down to being able to vote it down and having to take the uncomfortable consequences of political agency.

[stui magpie]

I don't think anyone factored in Somyurek, this was the ultimate wild card act.

My understanding is the legislation that underpins the current SOE can't be extended, so Andrews is in a bind.

The Opposition isn't actually in trouble, they've already proposed amendments, the ball is squarely in Andrews court.

[stui magpie]

Anyway, as of midnight tonight, restrictions pretty much over for the vaccinated in Vic.

Everything open, no density limits, Masks will still be required in health facilities, public transport, retail settings, and in primary schools.

Also changes to the quarantine rules,

Positive cases will now have to isolate for 10 days instead of 14
There will no longer be contact tracing related to positive cases and exposure sites will not be published
Household close contacts will have to isolate for seven days if fully vaccinated and 14 days if not vaccinated
Non-household close contacts will only have to isolate until they get a negative test result
Cases will have to notify their workplace, school or childcare about a positive result

For the unvaxxed however, they can only go to essential retail. No Kmart, Bunnings, Myer.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-18/ ... /100629434

[David]

Here's a list of essential retail outlets, for the unvaccinated amongst us …

https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/coro ... efinitions

• markets
• retail shopping centres 
• supermarkets
• bottle shops
• petrol stations
• newsagents
• post offices 
• grocery stores
• bakeries 
• butcheries  
• fruit and vegetable stores 
• fishmongers  
• pharmacies  
• premises on which vehicle and mechanical repair services are conducted  
• pet stores  
• car washes that can operate in a fully contactless manner  
• laundries 
• dry cleaners. 

[think positive]

oops i was wrong, shes free saturday!

[stui magpie]

oops i was wrong, shes free saturday!

How much does she normally charge?

[Pies4shaw]

My understanding is the legislation that underpins the current SOE can't be extended, so Andrews is in a bind.

Where did you get that understanding? It's just a piece of legislation. Even the Victorian Constitution can be amended by the Parliament.

[Dave The Man]

Here's a list of essential retail outlets, for the unvaccinated amongst us …

https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/coro ... efinitions

• markets
• retail shopping centres 
• supermarkets
• bottle shops
• petrol stations
• newsagents
• post offices 
• grocery stores
• bakeries 
• butcheries  
• fruit and vegetable stores 
• fishmongers  
• pharmacies  
• premises on which vehicle and mechanical repair services are conducted  
• pet stores  
• car washes that can operate in a fully contactless manner  
• laundries 
• dry cleaners. 

So that where people who are not Un-Vaccinated still can go?

[Dave The Man]

Anyway, as of midnight tonight, restrictions pretty much over for the vaccinated in Vic.

Everything open, no density limits, Masks will still be required in health facilities, public transport, retail settings, and in primary schools.

Also changes to the quarantine rules,

Positive cases will now have to isolate for 10 days instead of 14
There will no longer be contact tracing related to positive cases and exposure sites will not be published
Household close contacts will have to isolate for seven days if fully vaccinated and 14 days if not vaccinated
Non-household close contacts will only have to isolate until they get a negative test result
Cases will have to notify their workplace, school or childcare about a positive result

For the unvaxxed however, they can only go to essential retail. No Kmart, Bunnings, Myer.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-18/ ... /100629434

Can stop wearing Masks in Shops on 15th of December.

They are big Changes to Isolation from Positive Cases

[Jezza]

I don't think anyone factored in Somyurek, this was the ultimate wild card act.

My understanding is the legislation that underpins the current SOE can't be extended, so Andrews is in a bind.

The Opposition isn't actually in trouble, they've already proposed amendments, the ball is squarely in Andrews court.

The SOE expires on December 16.

If Andrews cannot pass a bill between now and then, all the Covid rules will be unenforceable from the day the SOE expires.

[stui magpie]

My understanding is the legislation that underpins the current SOE can't be extended, so Andrews is in a bind.

Where did you get that understanding? It's just a piece of legislation. Even the Victorian Constitution can be amended by the Parliament.

In the explanatory memo to the Pandemic Bill it says:

Victoria's current state of emergency, and the suite of powers it supports to manage the pandemic and keep Victorians safe, expires on 15 December 2021 and cannot be extended beyond this period

If you have a look at the Public Health and Wellbeing Amendment (State of Emergency Extension and Other Matters) Act 2020, Part 3 of ther act says

Repeal of this Act This Act is repealed on the first anniversary of its
commencement.

So from that, my understanding is the state of emergency cannot be extended beyond 15 December, which is the deal made in December last year and why Andrews is pushing the Pandemic bill through. Without the Pandemic bill or other new legislation, all the public health orders lapse on 15/12.

Happy to be corrected.