Israeli–Palestinian conflict

[think positive]

^

The odds of the remaining hostages still being alive is slim to none and Israel knows it. The most likely outcome is that they were killed by Israeli bombs, some would have been murdered by Hamas once they were no longer useful.

not that they ever cared.

[stui magpie]

^

Hamas certainly didn't and as for Israel, realistically, once you're captured you're considered Dead Unless.

[David]

The hostages are and always were leverage, and they can only be used as leverage while they’re alive. They’re obviously Hamas’s primary bargaining chip right now, so I assume they are invested in keeping them alive and that the vast majority who’ve died were killed by IDF bombs.

[Magpietothemax]

^No doubt, the hostages are starving, along with the rest of the population in Gaza. Israel is responsible for the deaths of the hostages, along with the deaths of at least 40 000 Palestinians (when those missing/buried under rubble) are included.

[think positive]

im not sure im convinced Hamas took em any more!
the response is so over the top it just seams a little too convenient.

[What'sinaname]

^ but Hamas did attack Israel resulting in 1,200 deaths, the same Hamas who don't believe in the State of Israel.

So let's not pretend that they are blameless on all of this.

[stui magpie]

^

That's going to be the biggest impediment to what everyone in the world seems to want, except the Palestinians and Israelis, a 2 state solution.

Politicians everywhere are jabbering about a 2 state solution, which to be fair is the most obvious suitable outcome. The problem is, Israelis don't want a hostile neighbour state and the Palestinians don't want Israel to exist, period.

So unless the USA grows a set of big hairy balls and enables the UN to do what needs to be done, they're stuck in the doom spiral.

[David]

[stui magpie]

Maybe it's overly simplistic, maybe not. I think the outcome that might work is that, because Gaza is fkd, let Israel have the territory and make the West Bank the Palestinian state.

All the "Illegal Settlers" (considering Israel controls the territory, having Israelis move in isn't illegal, just not proper) can choose to live in Palestine or go back to Israel.

The people of Gaza can choose to live in what would become part of Israel or not. They'd likely have better lives living in part of Israel anyway. So they wouldn't have a say in how the government works, that would be par for the course for them and hardly unusual in that part of the world which isn't exactly overflowing with democracies.

[David]

[think positive]

So why is the USA etc stopping drones from Iran hitting Israel? If they can do that, why didn’t they stop Israeli misfiles hitting Gaza?

This world is $@&^#

[Magpietothemax]

So why is the USA etc stopping drones from Iran hitting Israel? If they can do that, why didn’t they stop Israeli misfiles hitting Gaza?

This world is $%$ed

Great question.
It exposes the US hypocricy and lies.
The US is giving Israel a blank-cheque to carry out whatever atrocities it likes - genocide in Gaza, freedom to bomb Syria and Lebanon whenever it likes. The USA is not for peace or for any kind of ceasefire: it is hoping that Israel can provoke Iran into an all out war which will then give the US a pretext to intervene fully.
The events we are witnessing cannot be explained on any moral basis. They can only be explained in terms of geopolitical interests and the redivision of the world that the US and its NATO allies are carrying out with more and more recklessness.

[David]

Similar to when Soleimani was assassinated, this seems like a bit of a token reprisal on Iran's part.

[Magpietothemax]

^the Iranian regime does not wish to provoke an all out war against Israel, because it would stand to be obliterated by the US if it did so. However for domestic purposes, the regime had to be seen to be responding to Israel's attack on its embassy in Damascus by Israel and the assassination of top military commanders.
Everything now depends on the results of the current discussions taking place between Netahanyu and Biden as to what happens next in terms of escalating the war. Will the US-Israel criminals decide to use this as a pretext for expanding the war, or will they for now sit with the status quo ? We will find out in a very short time.

[Culprit]

Another day of Protests to annoy everyone who doesn't care. I've been told to WFH today, thank you.